Stick A Fork In Him and Turn Him Over. He's Done

[MacRoadie]

Prediction :

The LA fanboys will stay quiet for a while, then come back, and "argue away" all of the new allegations one at a time.

They are waiting for the Talking Points email from Public Strategies.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think you should be careful with some of the language. There are crazy people out there who might get the wrong idea. We're only talking about doping in the tour de france along with the rest winners of the last 20 years.

You're right - we had this guy who was on this forum and they kept come backing on posting crazy stuff- he went through about 100 usernames.

 

[leftover pie]

They are waiting for the Talking Points email from Public Strategies.

hahaha. .

FAQ v1.0 . . no. . FAQ v1.5. . no FAQ v2.0. . .WHAT DO WE DO WE CAN'T KEEP UP!

 

[180mmCrank]

I think you should be careful with some of the language. There are crazy people out there who might get the wrong idea. We're only talking about doping in the tour de france along with the rest winners of the last 20 years.

Do we really need a photo of this guy on the forum? I'm not sure it ads anything.

T

 

[BroDeal]

So it wan't like all the test data just disappeared, especially if there's still some damning evidence there. Is Catlin being implicated for complicity—because that would be a dark turn that I had never imagined—or is he being pointed to as the source of some of the unveiling?

Ugggh...so many lies, so little time!

The Catlin stuff sounds very fishy. Not only did test results disappear, but also B samples could not be confirmed two, possibly three, times. And the B samples that could not be confirmed were not on borderline results, which is the usual cause of a B sample differing from a A sample. On top of that it turns out that Catlin is a huge fan of Armstrong. What are the odds?

To make matters worse, "clean" teams like Slipstream used Catlin as the cornerstone of their supposed anti-doping programs.

The rug gets lifted and the cockroaches pour out.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The Catlin stuff sounds very fishy. Not only did test results disappear, but also B samples could not be confirmed two, possibly three, times. And the B samples that could not be confirmed were not on borderline results, which is the usual cause of a B sample differing from a A sample. On top of that it turns out that Catlin is a huge fan of Armstrong. What are the odds?

To make matters worse, "clean" teams like Slipstream used Catlin as the cornerstone of their supposed anti-doping programs.

The rug gets lifted and the cockroaches pour out.

Yes - the Catlin stuff is very interesting - also wasn't it 1999 that the USAC was taken over by Wiesel & Co. - were they trying to find and hide LA's tests (as Caitlin would not know the numbers) becasue they knew what it contained?

In May 1999, USA Cycling sent a formal request to Catlin for past test results— specifically, testosterone-epitestosterone
ratios—for a cyclist identified only by his drug-testing code numbers.

 

[PotentialPro]

Lance armstrong can go to hell.

Sorry I cant resist- He will, after all he lives in Texas.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Do we really need a photo of this guy on the forum? I'm not sure it ads anything.

T

No, we don't. Here's why he posted it.

By posting the picture of that nutter it automatically discredits anything in this forum to outsiders... "just some crazy internet forum"

 

[BikeCentric]

I just hope they bring down Alan Lim and Catlin as well (if indeed he was in on the cover-up of those tests as it sounds like). It would be really nice to see some of the people that "prepare" the riders, the doping infrastructure, get brought down as well as just the riders. Although Pharmstrong is of course far more than just an ordinary rider as it appears that he was also a drug dealer, a drug pusher, a mafia Don, an "enforcer" (Simeoni, Bassons), and basically pretty much the most terrible person in the history of cycling. Oh yeah and not to mention exploiting cancer sufferers to create a fake marketing myth around himself and use them as a shield against criticism.

The greatest fraud in the history of all sports bar none. That's one heck of a legacy. The guy won't be able to go out and get a cup of coffee ever again without getting spit on by old ladies. Pretty sad but we all have to sleep in the beds we make for ourselves.

I would love to see Novitsky take down some folks in the UCI but I have to think that's out of the FDA's jurisdiction. I'll bet he calls them out on being corrupt in his press conference once the indictments come out but stops short of going after them. Another fraud rider gets busted but the corrupt UCI exploitation machine will roll on and find plenty of fresh young Euro meat for the cycling grinder.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

They are waiting for the Talking Points email from Public Strategies.

Perhaps they look like this.

1. Dude, are you stupid? He said he was never was informed he was ever positive. Anyone can see that.
2. Cancer Lancer. Because it rhymes, it is more credible.
3. Look, a Dingo! /scurry onto G5 and haul tail for Austin compound.
4. Baxter was his dogs name.... Duh!
5. <insert discrediting catchphrase> Floydbrications, Swart'nt Truthful, Tattlin'-Catlin... Pure gold!

And so the empire crumbles under the weight of the super-ego and his army of dolts.

 

[sartain]

NOOOO! It can't be...he's our hero! He COULDN'T have cheated, because he's too good for that.

Yeah, he may be "Done" on the grill...but the chef is gonna forget about the steak and he's gonna burn right on up.

Either way, convicted or not, this isn't the way a so called "Great" would want to finish out his legacy...one tainted with so much stink that it makes a landfill smell sweet.

The EPA will declare him a Super Fund site.

 

[Granville57]

The Catlin stuff sounds very fishy. Not only did test results disappear, but also B samples could not be confirmed two, possibly three, times. And the B samples that could not be confirmed were not on borderline results, which is the usual cause of a B sample differing from a A sample. On top of that it turns out that Catlin is a huge fan of Armstrong. What are the odds?

To make matters worse, "clean" teams like Slipstream used Catlin as the cornerstone of their supposed anti-doping programs.

The rug gets lifted and the cockroaches pour out.

I can't wait to hear JV's take on all this. You're right though, the Allen Lim issue needs to be cleared up once and for all. Kimmage called Lim out, point-blank, in a previous interview. Landis says Lim assisted him in the doping. I'm sure JV and Dave Z. knew exactly what Floyd was up to and had to have at least some inkling of Lim's participation.

JV expressed how "really bummed" he was when Lim jumped ship to Pharmstrong, but I always saw it as a blessing in disguise. It would seem to speak more to Lim's true colors than anything else. But now other questions will need to be answered. What was Lim's true role at Slipstream? What was Catlins? And why did Contador seem like a viable fit for their program when Astana nearly collapsed?

Slash and burn time.

Kimmage interview from 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/paul_kimmage/article4322625.ece

A few gems on Landis and Lim:

For me, Landis’s performance was just too good to be true. I remember looking at the proud American as he stood on the podium and thinking: “This is a doper.” And I remember frowning at his beaming coach: “And this is his sorcerer.”

“Where were you when you heard about the positive test?” I ask.
“I was back home in Boulder.”
“How did you hear of it?”
“Just like everyone else.”
“A news report?”
“Yeah.”
“What did you think?”
“I was totally floored: I was like, ‘Wow! Are you kidding me?’”
(Long pause.) “Go on,” I urge, “keep going. You say you were floored.”
“Yeah, I was very surprised.”
“Is that all?”
“Yeah, I mean I felt . . . eh . . . I was just very surprised, because it was totally unexpected. It would be the last thing I could ever dream of.”

Kimmage:
“That’s interesting,” I observe, “because it’s the first thing I would ever dream. Are you just incredibly naïve or am I just incredibly cynical?”

"I was in Morzine that afternoon and I couldn’t believe my eyes. I thought: ‘Landis is doping.’ And I looked at you [Lim] and thought: ‘And this is the guy who is giving him the drugs.’”

“I thought, ‘This is the latest crooked doctor on the block and what the sport needs now is to run these guys out.’”

Another good night's sleep for Paul this evening, I'll bet.

 

[Oldman]

Yes - the Catlin stuff is very interesting - also wasn't it 1999 that the USAC was taken over by Wiesel & Co. - were they trying to find and hide LA's tests (as Caitlin would not know the numbers) becasue they knew what it contained?

Eddie B and Jiri Mainus "worked" with all of this generation before Wiesel entered the picture via his own Masters vision of glory. It was a symbiotic love after that and not much was concealed. Many, many, many young USAC riders started and left the program with much to complain about. Enter Carmichael and the next generation of consultant/leeches and you pretty much have an unbroken chain of data to hide.

 

[Berzin]

The HemAssist conundrum...

If this drug was so difficult to get, and only used in clinical trials as intimated by the SI article, what was Dario Frigo doing with vials of the stuff in his bag in 2001?

So it seems that Armstrong wasn't the only one with access to this product.

This sort of pokes a hole in the theory that Armstrong had exclusive access to this experimental drug.

Someone please explain this to me just in case I have it wrong.

 

[hrotha]

If this drug was so difficult to get, and only used in clinical trials as intimated by the SI article, what was Dario Frigo doing with vials of the stuff in his bag in 2001?

So it seems that Armstrong wasn't the only one with access to this product.

This sort of pokes a hole in the theory that Armstrong had exclusive access to this experimental drug.

Someone please explain this to me just in case I have it wrong.

The article says Armstrong got it a couple of years before that, in the late 90s, so I figure it makes sense.

 

[thehog]

If this drug was so difficult to get, and only used in clinical trials as intimated by the SI article, what was Dario Frigo doing with vials of the stuff in his bag in 2001?

So it seems that Armstrong wasn't the only one with access to this product.

This sort of pokes a hole in the theory that Armstrong had exclusive access to this experimental drug.

Someone please explain this to me just in case I have it wrong.

The joke about Frigo is that he bought a dud product. There's was no HemAssist in the vials. Just saline solution. Appears Lance sold off some of his old stock and thought he pull a fast one on his purchaser.

So Armstrong was the only one to have access and stockpiiled it. He then flogged it off via a middle man and Friggo was dumb enough to buy it without testing its contents.

 

[BroDeal]

If this drug was so difficult to get, and only used in clinical trials as intimated by the SI article, what was Dario Frigo doing with vials of the stuff in his bag in 2001?

Frigo only thought he had it. He actually had saline.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

<snip> in fact, it was clear to me that ferrari was probably a major reason pharmstrong returned. he convinced pharmstrong that he could get around the blood passport and could give him the advantage he needed over all the other riders.

don't you wonder why armstrong was so shocked that he ended up "only" third. and had so many sour grapes about it. And only recently mentioned again how surprised he was he didn't win an eighth tour.
<snip>

Do I smell another law-suit coming on?? LA Doper Vs Ferrari, for breach of promise

 

[frenchfry]

Nice title... The snowball rolling downhill appears to be getting bigger.

And articles like this in the mainstream press will also help others come out of the closet to tell the truth. Comfort in numbers.

 

[Benotti69]

And articles like this in the mainstream press will also help others come out of the closet to tell the truth. Comfort in numbers.

well let's hope it starts a rats leaving a sinking ship sceanario and they can catch some of the rats and get them to talk like...well like rats of course

 

[Cimacoppi49]

well let's hope it starts a rats leaving a sinking ship sceanario and they can catch some of the rats and get them to talk like...well like rats of course

It looks like there are already quite a few "rats" in the Federal Lifeboat.