Strade Bianche 2025, March 8, one-day classic (men's)

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Oh man, there'll be a lot of WTFs after the race. Not only from poor Pidcock.
 
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Yeah, they're making it too hard.
Less and less puncheurs are going to show up in the future and it's slowly going to turn in a little more exciting version of Lombardia
Pogacar would have dominated last year completely independent of the route. In another world the new route gets framed as making the race less selective because the hardest gravel sector was moved 30km further away from the finish and lightweight climbers don't have the engine to sustain such a long attack. Seriously, people have already formed an opinion when the sample size of Pogi-less SB editions on the new route is literally 0.
 
Strade has gone from underrated to very overrated in the last couple of years.

Weather is going to be excellent for early March tomorrow where I live so will rather go for a ride myself and skip this. That's the good thing about the Pogacar predictability, it makes the decision if you should waste your time much easier.

It's a shame that the Womens race is even more in the middle of the day because that has been a better watch in the last few years.
 
Tell me a route in the last 10 years where Pogacar wouldn't be a massive favourite. Harder courses are normally better for spectators. Without Pogacar, this race would be so unpredictable and funny. It is not the route, the problem is Pogacar and the massive gap to his rivals.
A race is interesting when you have multiple favourites that might win it. How hard it is has nothing to do with it.

A harder race makes it so that less people are able to win it, and thus gives you a more select group of possible candidates. A race can be made hard by multiple aspects. Distance, altitude, technical. Based on those 3 you get a number of different favourites for a race.

Liege => Long distance, a lot of altitude => Pogacar, Evenepoel, Roglic, etc. Riders that are able to go over longer hills for multiple times
Roubaix => Long distance, technical => WVA, MVDP, etc. Riders that have the technical strength to ride over cobbles. Due the less amount of altitude meters, more riders can win this, which makes it exciting.
De Ronde => Long distance, technical, bigger amount of altitude than Roubaix => Pogacar, WVA, MVDP, etc. Other riders are now also able to win this, like Pogacar while for others it might be too hard due to the amount of altitude.

Strade used to have a great balance between these, but has changed a lot since 2021. It always used to be around 180km's with 3.000m of altitude. It's now 215km's and 3700m of altitude. Combined with gravel roads which is more technical, you get less riders able to win it.

Pogacar is indeed multi-talented that he's technically strong enough, while a feather weight and has a big engine. So he can win on all terrains. But if you keep pushing these races to be hard in every of those 3 categories, then you only get Pogacar as a favourite which makes it more boring.

You need to find a good balance as a race organizer. It's not hard to make a difficult race that's only winnable by 1 person. It's hard to make a balanced race with a select group of possible winners.
 
I suggest we wait and see a race without Pogacar on this course so we evaluate it accordingly.
Pogacar has a squad full of potential winners of this race on his disposal, so the race is made hard very early, as a result it looks harder than it actually is.


I'm pretty sure that without Pogacar, and his killer squad, the race would see a nice variety of riders battling for top 10
 
Pogacar can win SB in any type of route. This is not MSR.
Sure. That's not the question though. He is better now than in 2022, and he can now win the race on the 2022 route more easily than he did in 2022.

The question however was what the change of route did to the dynamics of the race, the field present and the spectacle for the viewers. I think the dynamics behind Pogi would make for a better spectacle without the loop, as Monte Sante Marie would then also be close enough to the finish for the race for 2nd to start there.
 
With this slot in the calendar, I think a far more sensible change from the 2023 route would be to add the 2025 sector and to switch the climb up towards Montalcino with the nearby sector from the 2021 Giro. That makes it even shorter than in 2023, but with more gravel and where all the longer sectors link better.


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Sure. That's not the question though. He is better now than in 2022, and he can now win the race on the 2022 route more easily than he did in 2022.

The question however was what the change of route did to the dynamics of the race, the field present and the spectacle for the viewers. I think the dynamics behind Pogi would make for a better spectacle without the loop, as Monte Sante Marie would then also be close enough to the finish for the race for 2nd to start there.

I think the dynamic behind Pogi is more heavily influenced by Pog's team destroying the legs of everyone before Pogacar's attack than the actual route change.
 
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I think the dynamic behind Pogi is more heavily influenced by Pog's team destroying the legs of everyone before Pogacar's attack than the actual route change.

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Had their legs been destroyed 30 km closer to the finish, the race for 2nd (and the immediate response to Pogi's attack) would have been quite different.

I don't contend that Pogi's influence is perhaps even greater, but the change of route in itself adds to it.
 
Had their legs been destroyed 30 km closer to the finish, the race for 2nd (and the immediate response to Pogi's attack) would have been quite different.

I don't contend that Pogi's influence is perhaps even greater, but the change of route in itself adds to it.

It would've been quite different, I agree. Not necessarily better though.

I would refrain to evaluate the change before we see an actual race (for the win) with the extra loop.
 
Strade has gone from underrated to very overrated in the last couple of years.

Weather is going to be excellent for early March tomorrow where I live so will rather go for a ride myself and skip this. That's the good thing about the Pogacar predictability, it makes the decision if you should waste your time much easier.

It's a shame that the Womens race is even more in the middle of the day because that has been a better watch in the last few years.
That won't stop Rob Hatch blathering on about it being the unofficial sixth Monument. I much prefer Too Bro Leon. Racing on roads with grass in the middle is way more exciting.