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Those 3 didn't ride the Giro together. 1993 Chiapucci-Roche and 1994 Chiapucci-Pantani. 1987 Carrera was probably better. Close to La Vie Claire 1986.Carl0880 said:
Because judging by your previous reactions it will probably be the wrong classics thread.Echoes said:
Saeco at the 2004 Giro d'Italia. Cunego and Simoni with Mazzoleni, Szmyd, Tonti Bertagnolli, Stangelj Spezialetti and Fornaciari as domestiques.
A shout-out should also go to the 1984 Renault-Elf squad. Their final placings on GC weren't as strong as La Vie Claire '86, but between them they came away from the Tour with
1st place and 5 stage wins (Fignon)
3rd place and Best Young Rider (Lemond)
The Team Time Trial
Four individual stage wins not by Fignon (Madiot, Jules, Poisson, Menthéour)
19 stages in yellow (between Fignon and Barteau)
And, of course, #2 on the GC (Hinault) had been the team's leader just the year before.
1st place and 5 stage wins (Fignon)
3rd place and Best Young Rider (Lemond)
The Team Time Trial
Four individual stage wins not by Fignon (Madiot, Jules, Poisson, Menthéour)
19 stages in yellow (between Fignon and Barteau)
And, of course, #2 on the GC (Hinault) had been the team's leader just the year before.
ONCE at the Vuelta in the 90s anyone? I think they dominated that in 95 according to the internets.
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I think it's overrated. Contador just had a horrible team which made Astana look very good but I doubt they could have let the race explode whenever they wanted in a race like the tdf.jens_attacks said:
How cn anyone say SKY 2016 Tour team is strongest when they haven't even ridden yet ...wait until they turn up and see..everything can look strong on paper
Astana 2009 would have been insanely strong if it was a team, as it was Contador was so betrayed that Schleck probably had more support in the form of his brother than Contador did. However it had riders who could control/pace the peloton on the flat, riders to pace on hills or early mountains of stages before the action really start, climbers to blow the race apart and the best GC rider of the race.
Liquigas Giro 2010 dominated the race although objectively they probably were not super strong. Basso, Nibali, Szymd, Kiserlovski, Angoli and the rest all worked very well together.
Liquigas Giro 2010 dominated the race although objectively they probably were not super strong. Basso, Nibali, Szymd, Kiserlovski, Angoli and the rest all worked very well together.
Not the strongest team on individual level, but as a collective very strong. The Caisse d'Epargne Vuelta 2009 team: Garcia-Acosta, Erviti, Fran Perez, Zandio, Lopez, Kiriyienka, Moreno, Rodriguez, Valverde.
La Vie Claire 1986
Renault 1984. Maybe my memory is failing me but if I remember correctly they won half the stages in that Tour.
Renault 1984. Maybe my memory is failing me but if I remember correctly they won half the stages in that Tour.
I'll play the seniority card 
.
Molteni '71? I was too young (so much for the seniority card ) but the lineup is insane.
USPS, as a cohesive unit (better than the sum of its parts) is a candidate.
GB with Berzin, Ugrumov, the '94 squad is worth a mention.
Sky? Well, they made Wiggins win a TdF. Impressive.
La Vie Claire '86, to me is all of the above. Great lineup, cohesive (to an extend ), so dominating. It was fun to watch, well, not so fun: you knew the outcome (to an extend ).
.Molteni '71? I was too young (so much for the seniority card
) but the lineup is insane.USPS, as a cohesive unit (better than the sum of its parts) is a candidate.
GB with Berzin, Ugrumov, the '94 squad is worth a mention.
Sky? Well, they made Wiggins win a TdF. Impressive.
La Vie Claire '86, to me is all of the above. Great lineup, cohesive (to an extend
), so dominating. It was fun to watch, well, not so fun: you knew the outcome (to an extend ).3 pages and no one crying BANESTO?? i mean early 90s banesto was incredible. 5 tours, 2 giri...still today Unzue is on of the best DS.
the way banesto riders dedicated evrything to their captain was new in cycling. banesto was the draft for ater USPS successes
the way banesto riders dedicated evrything to their captain was new in cycling. banesto was the draft for ater USPS successes
Banesto was very rarely dominant (unless you're thinking of a particular GT?), and Unzue is a moron. Plus it was mostly Echavarri doing the DS'ing at the time.
With Henao back and Landa available and with Froome, Thomas & Poels ...not to mention a very strong climbing Nieve ...I have to say I am getting a bit carried away with how strong SKY are...Maybe too strong...And we haven't even included Kiryenkia, Inxtausti , Roche, Rowe, Konig,Puccio & Stannard
Of course everyone would need to turn up in top form...not sure who they will select
Of course everyone would need to turn up in top form...not sure who they will select
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And it's all of limited use if Contador is on Froome's wheel, perhaps unless they actually send people up the road like every other big GT team seems able to.
HelloDolly said:
And it's all of limited use if Contador is on Froome's wheel, perhaps unless they actually send people up the road like every other big GT team seems able to.
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Yeah, I'm sure Prudencio Indurain was taken to the Giro and the Tour because he was one of the best domestiques around and not just because he happened to be Big Mig's brother.malakassis said:
2006 T-Mobile could have been very strong-
1. Jan Ullrich
2. Andreas Kloden
3. Matthias Kessler
4. Shirhy Honchar
5. Michael Rogers
6. Eddy Mazzoleni
7. Patrick Sinkewitz
8. Oscar Sevilla
9. Guisseppe Guerini
1. Jan Ullrich
2. Andreas Kloden
3. Matthias Kessler
4. Shirhy Honchar
5. Michael Rogers
6. Eddy Mazzoleni
7. Patrick Sinkewitz
8. Oscar Sevilla
9. Guisseppe Guerini
once in 1995 were frightening: jalabert, zülle, mauri, bruyneel, breukink, stephens, mariano rojas, herminio diaz zabala, luis diaz otazu.
only luis diaz otazu was terrible and already out of time after the ttt, imagine if they had selection oliverio rincon instead of him...
only luis diaz otazu was terrible and already out of time after the ttt, imagine if they had selection oliverio rincon instead of him...
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