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Squire

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Penninepeddler said:
he has never really had a great flat TT though... even in top form this year he was:

30 seconds behind Ganna on a flat Giro course (similar to today actually length wise) when everyone had 13 days racing in their legs.

1 minute faster than Foss... (who was 1:45 down today)
1:10 faster than Sheffield... (who was 1:53 down today)

the guys he directly competed against in that TT who are here are all roughly a similar amount down vs Ganna as they were today.

my guess is he would have got 5th today, probably ~35-45 seconds down on Evanepoel.
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And Sheffield crashed in both TTs you're referring to. Your guess for Pog is roughly where a non-crashing Sheffield should have finished.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Monster start by Tarling...only to lose like 20 sec. due to a bike change.
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More like 30-35 sec.

They showed his GPS times relative to Vacek just after the replay, which were -15 sec at 6 km, and at 7.7 km had counted up to + 13 sec, still increasing, when they cut to show Sheffield post crash.
That's 28 sec, plus another couple before he got up to full speed, plus another 3 he'd have gained on Vacek between 6 km and where the puncture happened.

I think he's entitled to blame the puncture for not winning.
 
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Remco is the king of time trial right now. World Champion and now Olympic Champion, more than likely that he will keep winning more even with the big talent pool that we have.

Ganna second just like in last year's Worlds, still a great rider that already has his titles and I am sure he will keep fighting for more golds.

Van Aert with another medal for his collection, he did better than what I expected from him and showed that he is still a top level time trialist.

Tarling with bad luck, without it he would have been on the podium but he has a great future ahead of him.

McNulty top5 just like in the Worlds, very good result.

Nelson Oliveira once again mr.consistency getting a 7th ahead of bigger names like Küng or Foss.
 
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Squire said:
And Sheffield crashed in both TTs you're referring to. Your guess for Pog is roughly where a non-crashing Sheffield should have finished.
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Which is roughly where he is as a rider on a flat TT! (tbh every Sheffield TT you just assume he will crash and therefore lose ~30-40 seconds ahahaha)

2022 Worlds (which suited him more than today) he was 40 seconds down on Remco and the same level as Ganna.

The short ITTs that year (Tirreno) he was 18 and 8 seconds behind Ganna and Remco over less than half of todays distance... and basically the same as Wout and Ganna at the TdF stage 1 in the rain.

On a perfect day I think he could have maybe got a medal today. But it would have likely been Bronze... and on a "normal" day for Pogi, probably 5th.
 
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andrew_s said:
More like 30-35 sec.

They showed his GPS times relative to Vacek just after the replay, which were -15 sec at 6 km, and at 7.7 km had counted up to + 13 sec, still increasing, when they cut to show Sheffield post crash.
That's 28 sec, plus another couple before he got up to full speed, plus another 3 he'd have gained on Vacek between 6 km and where the puncture happened.

I think he's entitled to blame the puncture for not winning.
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Did they do the bikechange in slow motion? There is no way a bikechange without a crash takes that much time. The GPS times were complete rubbish as proven by the GPS times that had Van Aert ahead and then suddenly had Ganna 12s ahead.
A bikechange, including slowing down, getting off, hopping on and get going... is roughly 10s . Then you can add some time to get up to top speed again and to get into your rhythm. But there is no way he lost more than 20s.
 
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andrew_s said:
More like 30-35 sec.

They showed his GPS times relative to Vacek just after the replay, which were -15 sec at 6 km, and at 7.7 km had counted up to + 13 sec, still increasing, when they cut to show Sheffield post crash.
That's 28 sec, plus another couple before he got up to full speed, plus another 3 he'd have gained on Vacek between 6 km and where the puncture happened.

I think he's entitled to blame the puncture for not winning.
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But if you insist on going there—one could also say Evenpoel was disadvantaged compared to Tarling because he spent the last 2 month preparing for a racing a GT instead of training specifically for the TT.
I think it’s fair to say Tarling would be right there in the fight for the win, but to say he would have won also disregards the fact Remco could have gone even faster knowing Tarling’s time.
 
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Brullnux said:
I doubt there was much difference between the two on the final corner, Ganna almost came to a standstill. The ticker went from -12s on WvA at like 800m to go and then -10s at the finish line, Ganna's cornering really not good today.
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Evenepoel basically confirmed it on TV. He knew he was too far ahead and tried to savour the moment and not take any risks anymore in the final kms.
 
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Had a great WhatsApp chat with the cousins in Brussels, congrats to Belgium! Huge win for Remco, big surprise from Wout.

Takes some pressure off the road race, no? Would love to see them play out some beautiful tactics together in the RR. Nothing to lose…
 
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red_flanders said:
Had a great WhatsApp chat with the cousins in Brussels, congrats to Belgium! Huge win for Remco, big surprise from Wout.

Takes some pressure off the road race, no? Would love to see them play out some beautiful tactics together in the RR. Nothing to lose…
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So many options for them given the parcours and who they have on their 4 man team.

Guess they try and send one of Benoot and Stuyven in a break to make other teams chase earlier on?

And then maybe Evanepoel jumps in the 30-40km area to go area up one of the climbs...

and if anyone brings him back (Denmark, NL, France, Aus, Italy, GB proabably would try given guys they have with ability to sprint in a small group) then Wout is up amongst favourites for a sprint... and if they don't then Remco wins.
 
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danielovichdk2 said:
Road race will be won by break. I suspect a small group where MvdP, WvA, Mads P and such riders.

As long as Remco is not winning I am okay with every result. Remco not winning. Such a small dog. I miss Pog there though but I have to give him his class act and pulling out because his wife was not selected. What a gentleman.
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Remco did it. I have to respect it. Congratulations Belgium
 
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andrew_s said:
More like 30-35 sec.

They showed his GPS times relative to Vacek just after the replay, which were -15 sec at 6 km, and at 7.7 km had counted up to + 13 sec, still increasing, when they cut to show Sheffield post crash.
That's 28 sec, plus another couple before he got up to full speed, plus another 3 he'd have gained on Vacek between 6 km and where the puncture happened.

I think he's entitled to blame the puncture for not winning.
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Yes, it was still counting, but too fast for it to make sense. By that point he was already up and running again.
 
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red_flanders said:
Had a great WhatsApp chat with the cousins in Brussels, congrats to Belgium! Huge win for Remco, big surprise from Wout.

Takes some pressure off the road race, no? Would love to see them play out some beautiful tactics together in the RR. Nothing to lose…
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At the Finish of the TT, Belgium was tied for 1st in the overall Olympic medal standings :) Probably doesn’t happen very often :)
 
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What a result for Belgium! And I got a feeling these will not be our only medals on a bike (certainly if you consider the track as well).

I kinda hope Wout gets his granted big win next weekend. Kudos for getting on that podium today already. Even though Tarling's mechanical helped him out, it should please him that he was the only one playing in the same league as the three favourites. He keeps coming back strong after big setbacks, for that he has my biggest respect.

Remco, you are a legend. Simple as that.
 
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That almost-crash from Ganna was before the intermediate I think. Because next image of Remco was on that road. So Ganna was already flying and faster than Wout. On Sporza they couldn’t believe Ganna was suddenly way faster. He was already despite of that moment. It was a replay from before but shown on tv after the time point.
 
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