Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[yaf2]

A tailwind or no wind is the same if you want to drop somebody.

Which law of physics says that

 

[Peyroteo94]

Which law of physics says that

Tell me what advantage (talking about wind) an attacker gets in his attack against a rider glued to his wheel?

 

[yaf2]

Tell me what advantage (talking about wind) an attacker gets in his attack against a rider glued to his wheel?

If you are riding with no wind you are solely responsible to keep the attacking pace as a result pushing more power while on a strong tail wind(even if someone is in the wheel) the wind is in the direction of your attack resulting almost no drag and less power to go with the same speed

 

[Red Rick]

I think the tailwind was showing at 15km an hour? This condition may never happen again.

Tailwind is common but AFAIK it's usually not this strong.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If you are riding with no wind you are solely responsible to keep the attacking pace as a result pushing more power while on a strong tail wind(even if someone is in the wheel) the wind is in the direction of your attack resulting almost no drag and less power to go with the same speed

Both riders need less power to go with the same speed. The attacker and who is being attacked

 

[snipeheem]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903526808911331423

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1903526808911331423

 

[yaf2]

All that depends on if MVDP is as good as today. If Pog is as good as today. How positions play out in crucial moments. Team performance. Crashes. Weather. All of these are factors that plays into it.

Like a lot can happen in a year and on the day.

Very rarely will the exact same scenario play out.

We will just have to wait and see what happens. What could happen.

We always have to base our perception based on everyone being in their best shape for the day. We cant base it on factors like due to someones illness or crash or non participation cause its also fact that pog would have won today if vdp was not in the race or crashes out but we can't base on such things

 

[Didinho]

He did everything he had to do. After the Cipressa only 2 riders hanging on. If Mathieu wasn’t this good he would’ve won solo. He knows the formule now, will do it like this every year untill everything comes together. I give him more chance to win the Primavera at least once.

 

[scribers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903526808911331423

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1903526808911331423

where's MVP ?

 

[Salvarani]

We always have to base our perception based on everyone being in their best shape for the day. We cant base it on factors like due to someones illness or crash or non participation cause its also fact that pog would have won today if vdp was not in the race or crashes out but we can't base on such things

You missed the point as I was responding to your post.

 

[Cookster15]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903526808911331423

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Sub 9 minutes for Cipressa - I think the old record was 9:19 set in 1996? That MVDP could hold his wheel is just proof that MVDP really deserved to win today. But one day Pogi will win MSR.

 

[scribers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903526808911331423

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1903526808911331423

Man o man. He leaves MVP and Ganna in group two they finish the climb no more than 45 seconds of him.

It's mentioned via that link by someone according to strava, they entered the climb MVP 10th position and Pogi 40th position

 

[Shortcut]

He did everything he had to do. After the Cipressa only 2 riders hanging on. If Mathieu wasn’t this good he would’ve won solo. He knows the formule now, will do it like this every year untill everything comes together. I give him more chance to win the Primavera at least once.

Yes, he showed us today it can be done. I think he is in best shape ever but so is MvDP. RVV should be really Achilles vs. Hector, but i don't know which one is which.

 

[snipeheem]

Yes, he showed us today it can be done. I think he is in best shape ever but so is MvDP. RVV should be really Achilles vs. Hector, but i don't know which one is which.

Love the analogy

 

[Peyroteo94]

MVP is a hell of a rider but I will be very surprised if he can beat Pogacar in RVV.

 

[yaf2]

Yes, he showed us today it can be done. I think he is in best shape ever but so is MvDP. RVV should be really Achilles vs. Hector, but i don't know which one is which.

We cant conclude levels for Rvv from today. Pog was by far the strongest today as he could drop everybody bar vdp off his wheel on a fresh test on a 4% climb. he has almost destroyed the laws of physics. If it was vanderpoel who does all this attacks and pog was on his wheel he would cook him at the top of the climb. But for E3 and flanders im convinced he will play him like a kid.

 

[Peyroteo94]

We cant conclude levels for Rvv from today. Pog was by far the strongest today as he could drop everybody bar vdp off his wheel on a fresh test on a 4% climb. he has almost destroyed the laws of physics. If it was vanderpoel who does all this attacks and pog was on his wheel he would cook him at the top of the climb. But for E3 and flanders im convinced he will play him like a kid.

In 2023, Pogi dropped MVP in Kwaremont after losing/being dropped in MSR to MVP. It was clear Pogacar was stronger than MVP today, so I have a hard time to see MVP surviving to Pogacar in an attritional race like RVV, specially after a middle section full of hills where Politt, Vermeersch, Wellens and Narvaez can sufocate the race.

 

[Didinho]

Pogi knows how to win de Ronde now. But I’m not sure he drops Mathieu again. He was riding hard to hold Wout behind and overdid himself. Wasn’t far of. He will ride smarter this year. Save some efforts solely focused on Pogi and the Kwaremont. Mathieu always said he could stay with Pogi in 5’ efforts. Today was 9’. It’s gonna be a good battle. Hope they both stay healthy.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi knows how to win de Ronde now. But I’m not sure he drops Mathieu again. He was riding hard to hold Wout behind and overdid himself. Wasn’t far of. He will ride smarter this year. Save some efforts solely focused on Pogi and the Kwaremont. Mathieu always said he could stay with Pogi in 5’ efforts. Today was 9’. It’s gonna be a good battle. Hope they both stay healthy.

There won't be any Laporte to save him again.

 

[Didinho]

There won't be any Laporte to save him again.

Laporte saved Mathieu. That’s new to me.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Laporte saved Mathieu. That’s new to me.

You didn't watch the race then

 

[yaf2]

Vdp will get his first slap on qwaremont on friday E3 and will adjust his tactics for flanders by trying to stay with wva to help him chase pog in the last 50kms

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vdp will get his first slap on qwaremont on friday E3 and will adjust his tactics for flanders by trying to stay with wva to help him chase pog in the last 50kms

I don't think Pogi can drop MVP in E3.

 

[scribers]

I don't think Pogi can drop MVP in E3.

He should dump this race and focus on P-R

 

[scribers]

From the Move, Bruyneel thinks Pogi will again not be able to drop MVP at Flanders. Says climbs are as more about power than climbing. Hincapie disagrees citing the race is different via death by 1000 cuts.