Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

Pogi to GDL is like Nadal to French Open.
You might get a Robin Soderling one year but that race is his, him making double figures is not that infeasible.

Arguably the same applies to LBL, a race he has had misfortune with but it’s hard to make a case for many to beat this Pog there either.

Robin went to two finals. First he won against Nadal, lost to Federer in the final in 2009.

The year after he beat Federer, lost to Nadal in the final in 2010.

Then he caught glandular fever in 2011 and could never return to former level.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Robin went to two finals. First he won against Nadal, lost to Federer in the final in 2009.

The year after he beat Federer, lost to Nadal in the final in 2010.

Then he caught glandular fever in 2011 and could never return to former level.

That win against Nadal was such an upset and Federer almost threw away his chances of winning RG for (almost) losing to Haas and Del Porto.

 

[Salvarani]

That win against Nadal was such an upset and Federer almost threw away his chances of winning RG for (almost) losing to Haas and Del Porto.

And that was Federers only win in RG. Got very lucky.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And that was Federers only win in RG. Got very lucky.

It was written in the stars. I almost cried of happiness after his win against Del Potro. In that moment, I knew he would win RG.

 

[Shortcut]

It was written in the stars. I almost cried of happiness after his win against Del Potro. In that moment, I knew he would win RG.

Federer is my favorite tennis player and Pogi favorite cyclist but i hope they don't share the same destiny.

 

[scribers]

You talk like he is racing alone. He will not win 3 MSR or 4 RVV.

I might make a bet on this

 

[scribers]

But he will not race all classics and 2 GTs every year.

He would be crazy to not. Race now while he can.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Federer is my favorite tennis player and Pogi favorite cyclist but i hope they don't share the same destiny.

What do you mean by same destiny?

 

[Shortcut]

What do you mean by same destiny?

2 guys winning more GS than him. I wouldn't like that happens to Pogi (GTs or Momuments wise).

 

[snipeheem]

What do you mean by same destiny?

Roger is 3rd best ever, we want Pog to be the goat like Novak

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

As a fan, I hope Teddy wins everything and especially RVV, which is my favorite race in the world.

However, I will keep in mind that in RVV 2023, MVDP was caught behind in a couple peleton splits and also almost dropped his chain on Taaienberg ( I think).

 

[hayneplane]

You talk like he is racing alone. He will not win 3 MSR or 4 RVV.

3 MSR is enormously difficult in the modern era but IF he wins on Sunday then 4 RVV is very much in reach as only MVDP is at a similar level and he is 4 years older.

 

[hayneplane]

As a fan, I hope Teddy wins everything and especially RVV, which is my favorite race in the world.

However, I will keep in mind that in RVV 2023, MVDP was caught behind in a couple peleton splits and also almost dropped his chain on Taaienberg ( I think).

True but he never put his nose in the wind in those chase backs as it was Dillier in particular who did the grunt work and was then spent by half distance. I doubt it took that much extra out of him.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

3 MSR is enormously difficult in the modern era but IF he wins on Sunday then 4 RVV is very much in reach as only MVDP is at a similar level and he is 4 years older.

Yup, at this point 1 MSR should be the goal. If he wins the 2nd RVV this year then he's probably on schedule to reach 4 RVV.

 

[yaf2]

While people are saying can pog beat this vdp in RVV or if he beats him in Rvv....🤨 what i would say is if vdp finishes in less than 3 minutes behind pog(barring accidents or bad luck) its over for me. I feel like pog is getting the disrespect that he never deserved due to the outcome of the cicaban race last week.

 

[Peyroteo94]

While people are saying can pog beat this vdp in RVV or if he beats him in Rvv....🤨 what i would say is if vdp finishes in less than 3 minutes behind pog(barring accidents or bad luck) its over for me. I feel like pog is getting the disrespect that he never deserved due to the outcome of the cicaban race last week.

Don't be silly. If he wins with a 1 minute gap is already a massive achievement.

 

[Peyroteo94]

True but he never put his nose in the wind in those chase backs as it was Dillier in particular who did the grunt work and was then spent by half distance. I doubt it took that much extra out of him.

Anyone saying MVP was doing too much work before Pogacar's attack in Kwaremont is just trolling. The first time he was dropped, MVP didn't put his noise to the wind one time and ended up being saved by Laporte.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Anyone saying MVP was doing too much work before Pogacar's attack in Kwaremont is just trolling. The first time he was dropped, MVP didn't put his noise to the wind one time and ended up being saved by Laporte.

Yup, Pog burnt a match in his penultimate Kwaremont attack but he had enough matches available not to fade. Outstanding performance.

 

[yaf2]

Don't be silly. If he wins with a 1 minute gap is already a massive achievement.

Thats embarrassment and would equate him being dropped by vdp a week later in roubaix

 

[hayneplane]

Thats embarrassment and would equate him being dropped by vdp a week later in roubaix

I don’t see why. I doubt he keeps pushing super hard if the gap goes to 2 minutes as he will want to reserve energy for Roubaix.

 

[scribers]

You do want to create enough padding for mechanicals etc.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Thats embarrassment and would equate him being dropped by vdp a week later in roubaix

What?

 

[James M]

One of two scenarios will happen.

- UAE will drill this race from the front, making it as fast and hard as possible one by one before he goes thermonuclear. That way (rider for rider), they have 7 super strong riders.

- Or UAE will try to do all they can to get one of their 7 riders in the break and use one as a satellite rider. Almost all of them, besides Oliveira, are strong enough to add value in a scenario like that too, which would mean Pog wants to go super early. That scenario will also force other teams to use their riders early—a win-win situation. With those riders, I expect they will want to look for and at least try this strategy.

I wouldn’t be surprised for several reasons if he wants to go for the WC approach and try to get one of their riders in the break. The harder and more attritional it gets, the better for him, thats the only thing thats certain, and it can be obtained in one of two. The guy also has no chill so you cant rule out the second option.

 

[Peyroteo94]

One of two scenarios will happen.

- UAE will drill this race from the front, making it as fast and hard as possible. That way (rider for rider), they have 7 super strong riders.

- Or UAE will try to do all they can to get one of their 7 riders in the break and use them as a satellite rider and almost all of em besides Oliveira are strong enough to add some value in a scenario like that too, which would mean Pog wants to go super early. That scenario also will force other teams to use their riders early.

I wouldn’t be surprised for several reasons if he wants to go for the WC approach and try to get one of their riders in the break. The harder and more attritional it gets, the better for him, thats the only thing thats certain, and it can be obtained in one of two. The guy also has no chill so you cant rule out the second option.

It is easy to make a race attritional. Just put your team pacing for 50 km before his attack. MVP will be tired after Vermeersch, Wellens and finally Narvaez going all out.

 

[JoãoRamos]

It is easy to make a race attritional. Just put your team pacing for 50 km before his attack. MVP will be tired after Vermeersch, Wellens and finally Narvaez going all out.

Yes. That's all I ask: a bloodbath.