Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Red Rick]

Or is this like a new sort of church?

Does Tom Dumoulin *** in a field?

 

[Salvarani]

I really hope Pog just races the TDF in the following years. and focuses on monuments

I been hoping for this as well.

Monuments, Tour + WC.

 

[Peyroteo94]

With the re-introduction of the final Cauberg? No longer.

This. Pogacar will smoke them all before but even if he is in a small group, he will not let anyone survive after the last Cauberg.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I been hoping for this as well.

Monuments, Tour + WC.

Yup, next year. He just needs to win the Vuelta this year.

 

[Salvarani]

Yup, next year. He just needs to win the Vuelta this year.

Not scheduled for it. We will see.

Dont think they make final decision until they see how Tour goes and how he is feeling.

It would be better to do in a year when WC is not on a favorable route.

I dont think he should do two GTs when racing all the monuments and Dauphine + Tour.

He will have to skip doing a second GT and that is my opinion.

 

[Cycling111]

Does it get tiresome knocking down the same straw man every day, having to argue against no one why Pog is the best ever and will win all the races? Or is this like a new sort of church?

Neither extreme is good. But it seems more surreal to me to be putting asterisks on having won 2/3 Flanders or even the last Lombardia because Remco arrived tired. Taking an asterisk even in Lombardia speaks more to those who are constantly underestimating everything.

Since Fignon, a cyclist who was going to compete in the Tour that same year didn't go to a PR. But some people, instead of appreciating the fact that he finished second, start belittling all.

I saw do them all! Monuments plus 2 GT and WC (when it makes sense)

If he doesn't win the Tour forget about the Classics in 2026.
They would inevitably associate the classics with losing the Tour.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Yup, next year. He just needs to win the Vuelta this year.

Yup. Already this year he has a good chance to make it an other best season ever.

But imagine next year he manages to win ALL 5 Monuments + TdF + WC.

I think not only would this make it the best season ever, I think it would take it to a whole other level. This would blow all standards.

 

[Netserk]

The rules also say there has to be a 1 minute gap before the team car is allowed to pass and go to the next group

Can you quote that rule to me?

In the general provisions, 2.2.035 makes no mention of a 1 minute gap.

The chapter on one-day races also makes no mention of a specific time gap, from 2.3.015 onwards.

It's up to the discretion of the commissaire:

2.3.021
If a group of riders breaks away from the bunch, their follower vehicles may not slip in
between the break-away riders and the following group without the authorisation of the
commissaire, if and for as long as he considers the gap sufficient.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup. Already this year he has a good chance to make it an other best season ever.

But imagine next year he manages to win ALL 5 Monuments + TdF + WC.

I think not only would this make it the best season ever, I think it would take it to a whole other level. This would blow all standards.

I think only crashes or Vingegaard can avoid him for having the two best seasons ever.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Yup. Already this year he has a good chance to make it an other best season ever.

But imagine next year he manages to win ALL 5 Monuments + TdF + WC.

I think not only would this make it the best season ever, I think it would take it to a whole other level. This would blow all standards.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It would be a pretty crazy feat, and he might try, but doing it is just such a tough ask, given that he most likely needs to beat vdP thrice to do this, twice in races that suit vdP more than him. Meanwhile he'd need to win MSR, RVV and PR before hitting Liege where he's probably looking a much better rested Remco in the eye. Not a given he wins against him under this circumstances. Needless to say that winning the Tour won't happen on it's own agains Vingo probably either. At the WC, depending on the course, he might need to win against them both yet again. So you are correct, it would be a whole new level of best season if he somehow did it. But I think it's still more of a dream scenario rather than an actual possibility.

 

[JoãoRamos]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It would be a pretty crazy feat, and he might try, but doing it is just such a tough ask, given that he most likely needs to beat vdP thrice to do this, twice in races that suit vdP more than him. Meanwhile he'd need to win MSR, RVV and PR before hitting Liege where he's probably looking a much better rested Remco in the eye. Not a given he wins against him under this circumstances. Needless to say that winning the Tour won't happen on it's own agains Vingo probably either. So you are correct, it would be a whole new level of best season if he somehow did it. But I think it's still more of a dream scenario rather than an actual possibility.

Yes, it would be very very difficult. But Pog can do it, even with a very small chance.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Yes, it would be very very difficult. But Pog can do it, even with a very small chance.

Maybe, I mean to even consider this even pretty minimal chance speaks volumes about Pogacar as a racer, but on top of all I already metioned, he'd also have to get through 6 one day races without basically any bad luck. Even if the form was there for every single race.
And I know he is basically the opposite of a Roglic or Evans kind of rider when it comes to misfortune, yet it's just a lot of race days that need to go right in domains that he cannot conroll, that this alone makes it really tough imo.

 

[Peyroteo94]

‘He will be like Merckx’ - Paris-Roubaix is proof that Tadej Pogačar will win all five Monuments

The world champion narrowly missed out on a victory at his Hell of the North debut – his performance is a menacing sign for years to come

www.rouleur.cc

 

[Cycling111]

Yup, next year. He just needs to win the Vuelta this year.

If the WC finally is in Rwanda (travel + vaccinations), I think Pogacar won't do the Vuelta.

At the beginning of the year he said his main goal is the WC. It's a chance to become a two-time champion, and I think he'll sacrifice LaVuelta if is necessary.

If the WC moved to Switzerland, I think it's more feasible for him to do the Vuelta.

If he loses the Tour, the team might force him to go to the Vuelta. But if the decision is up to him, he'll prioritize the WC over laVuelta.


La Vuelta is a GT that can be easily won in some editions. Opportunities in the WC shouldnt be wasted.
Hinault only won one with a strong team like France.
In a minor team like Slovenia, a hard World Cup that can be broken individually is an opportunity. In the following editions, it will be difficult against Belgium.

 

[scribers]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It would be a pretty crazy feat, and he might try, but doing it is just such a tough ask, given that he most likely needs to beat vdP thrice to do this, twice in races that suit vdP more than him. Meanwhile he'd need to win MSR, RVV and PR before hitting Liege where he's probably looking a much better rested Remco in the eye. Not a given he wins against him under this circumstances. Needless to say that winning the Tour won't happen on its own agains Vingo probably either. At the WC, depending on the course, he might need to win against them both yet again. So you are correct, it would be a whole new level of best season if he somehow did it. But I think it's still more of a dream scenario rather than an actual possibility.

And that’s good racing. Pogi vs mvp. Pogi vs remco. Pogi vs Vingo. Sometimes pogi vs mvp/remco or pogi vs Vingo/remco

 

[scribers]

‘He will be like Merckx’ - Paris-Roubaix is proof that Tadej Pogačar will win all five Monuments

The world champion narrowly missed out on a victory at his Hell of the North debut – his performance is a menacing sign for years to come

www.rouleur.cc

That’s a good article. Looks like mvp and roodhooft joining the church with the rest of us, even after vanquishing pogi.

 

[Netserk]

We are witnessing history and should just enjoy the moment.

History is made great by an awful lot of ***. No need to enjoy it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And that’s good racing. Pogi vs mvp. Pogi vs remco. Pogi vs Vingo. Sometimes pogi vs mvp/remco or pogi vs Vingo/remco

This what we want to see as cycling fans.

 

[scribers]

History is made great by an awful lot of ***. No need to enjoy it.

This doesn’t make sense. lol

 

[Netserk]

Yeah I remember arguing after that 2022 cobbles stage in the Tour that he would be one of the favorites at PR and there were a lot of people feeling very smart explaining to me why a TdF stage means nothing for PR at all. That was after he had already been one of the strongest at RVV that year. Unbelievable how many people thought he would not be among the best in this race even this week.

That being said, as long as MvdP is around it will be really really tough for him to win this race. Dropping someone like him on the cobbles will be almost impossible and the way PR is being raced recently it will be very hard to sneak away like people like Sagan did. Still the guy just finished 5 consecutive monuments on the podium and won the WCRR in the process. This would have been utterly unthinkable just a few years ago.

From what I can find in searches, you made no mention of this in July 2022. You did however write the following after his win in Ronde '23:

On another note, am I the only one thinking Roubaix actually suits him better than MSR?
I just don't really see why I shouldn't believe he is currently the best rider in the world on flat cobbles. Like, the Kwaremont is 2/3 flat and he was literally the strongest rider in the Roubaix stage at the Tour last year. The strongest cobbles rider can usually win Roubaix at some point in their career. The strongest puncheur will still always struggle to win MSR if they don't also have a good sprint.

Perhaps unsurprising that you got some pushback?

 

[Salvarani]

It's crazy that Pogacar is the rider that strikes fear into powerhouses like Wout, MVDP and Pedersen in the spring and does the same to riders like Remco, Jonas and Primoz in the summer. We are witnessing history and should just enjoy the moment.

Truly amazing!

GOAT

 

[Salvarani]

This what we want to see as cycling fans.

Absolutely!

 

[scribers]

I might be an outlier here. But I don’t think pogi needs to gain any weight to contest classics. He’s in his sweet spot right now and it would be a major mistake (imo) to mess with it.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah I remember arguing after that 2022 cobbles stage in the Tour that he would be one of the favorites at PR and there were a lot of people feeling very smart explaining to me why a TdF stage means nothing for PR at all.

Because nothing's changed in cycling since July 2022?

 

[yaf2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911656940351914246

View: https://x.com/Miroir2Cyclisme/status/1911656940351914246?t=WJH5JRZv5BiDcPvjr8CDKQ&s=19


Anybody saying vdp was stronger yesterday has to see this clip. On the crash pog stopped for 28 secs and still managed to get the gap to 12 secs but once they got to the technical parts of the cobbles vdp took 1 or 2 secs per corner and after his 2nd bike change the adrenaline went out of the chase. I would say strength wise both were on the same level and would have come to the velodrome together and u never know what could happen in the sprint after 260 kms of relentless racing