Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

These days, he seems to be alone with Narvaez and Urska.

I assume the rest of the team will go to the national championships.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937033398083621368

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No, I think Soler and Sivakov are there.

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[Peyroteo94]

These days, he seems to be alone with Narvaez and Urska.

I assume the rest of the team will go to the national championships.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937033398083621368

View: https://x.com/lucasaganronald/status/1937033398083621368

This was expected. Very strong team to put a hard tempo in valleys.

 

[SHAD0W93]

At risk of sounding smug, any chance uae lets Vingo go stage hunting?

0% chance

 

[Psycat]

Yes.

That is indeed incredibly smug.

Suppose he could always do a Remco and lose 20 min or whatever in a stage(Hautacam) and then go on to ruin the, possibly, career defining moments of your more average riders in the breakaways for a week or two. Granted Vinge would probably have to sandbag even more time to be allowed so.

 

[YavorD]

Guess he could always do a Remco and lose 20 min or whatever in a stage(Hautacam) and then go on to ruin the, possibly, career defining moments of your more average riders in the breakaways for a week or two. Granted Vinge would probably have to sandbag even more time to be allowed so.

I can totally see UAE/Pogacar policing the Peloton, not allowing Vingegaard to go in breaks even if he is an hour behind.
Not to mention the other teams. No one in his right mind sho work with Vingegaard if he is in the break.

 

[Psycat]

I can totally see UAE/Pogacar policing the Peloton, not allowing Vingegaard to go in breaks even if he is an hour behind.
Not to mention the other teams. No one in his right mind sho work with Vingegaard if he is in the break.

Well they did with Remco knowing they would lose, but yes you are probably right that UAE wouldn't allow it out of spite. Always found it very perplexing that teams would let Remco ride away at all during that Vuelta but I am probably missing something.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I can totally see UAE/Pogacar policing the Peloton, not allowing Vingegaard to go in breaks even if he is an hour behind.
Not to mention the other teams. No one in his right mind sho work with Vingegaard if he is in the break.

I'm sure they will allow it if he's an hour or even a lot less behind, unless Jorgenson is still up there.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I can totally see UAE/Pogacar policing the Peloton, not allowing Vingegaard to go in breaks even if he is an hour behind.
Not to mention the other teams. No one in his right mind sho work with Vingegaard if he is in the break.

This conversation seems silly. Vingegaard won't be in any break in the Tour.

 

[YavorD]

This conversation seems silly. Vingegaard won't be in any break in the Tour.

Unless he does Basso.
Not that I wish it to him though.

 

[Psycat]

This conversation seems silly. Vingegaard won't be in any break in the Tour.

It's hypothetical. He with almost certainty won't be since he will try to clinge on to Pogacar and likely end up second.

But if you asked people before the Vuelta in which Remco sandbagged if he would have been allowed in the break if he did, most would likely have said no. Yet it happened, sure not as ridiculous as having Vinge in the breaks but not far off either.

So if he breaks(sandbagging or just totally bonks) would he be allowed to do so?

 

[Fos]

Vingegaard's only advantage relies on beating Pogacar in the flat TT (by a decent margin just like in the Dauphiné) and pray to follow Pogacar in the mountains.

Despite Dauphiné, it is more likely Pogi performs better than Jonas in a flat TT.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I'm sure they will allow it if he's an hour or even a lot less behind, unless Jorgenson is still up there.

Vingegaard could be 4 hours behind, Pogacar and UAE by extension won’t let anyone from Visma win from the breakaway.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Despite Dauphiné, it is more likely Pogi performs better than Jonas in a flat TT.

I don't believe Pogacar will gain time on Jonas in the TT.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Vingegaard could be 4 hours behind, Pogacar and UAE by extension won’t let anyone from Visma win from the breakaway.

I very much doubt that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's hypothetical. He with almost certainty won't be since he will try to clinge on to Pogacar and likely end up second.

But if you asked people before the Vuelta in which Remco sandbagged if he would have been allowed in the break if he did, most would likely have said no. Yet it happened, sure not as ridiculous as having Vinge in the breaks but not far off either.

So if he breaks(sandbagging or just totally bonks) would he be allowed to do so?

Vingegaard is a natural climber. He will never lose big time in the mountains unless he has a heavy crash.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The lack of hope before the Tour. Even some of these coaches think and know the Tour is over.

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[SHAD0W93]

I very much doubt that.

Why? Since everything from Visma from the 2022 and 2023 editions, whenever Pogacar is at a race UAE chase down any rider from Visma that’s in the break so they don’t win. UAE stops setting a hard pace once the Visma rider is dropped.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't believe Pogacar will gain time on Jonas in the TT.

I think they will be close. Maybe Pogi will lose some time but not much. The simplest explanation of that Dauphine TT is that Pog simply had worse legs. This happens sometimes but it should be better during the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why? Since everything from Visma from the 2022 and 2023 editions, whenever Pogacar is at a race UAE chase down any rider from Visma that’s in the break so they don’t win. UAE stops setting a hard pace once the Visma rider is dropped.

This happens only with Pogacar because Del Toro let a Visma rider win the Giro instead of Carapaz.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Why? Since everything from Visma from the 2022 and 2023 editions, whenever Pogacar is at a race UAE chase down any rider from Visma that’s in the break so they don’t win. UAE stops setting a hard pace once the Visma rider is dropped.

Sure, but in these situations they've had reasons to do so. If Visma aren't in the fight for the overall win or the podium, UAE would just make Visma look like a team of 4 Simeonis and 4 Bassons if they hunt them down for 3 weeks straight, and they would be wasting energy for no logical reason.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

This was expected. Very strong team to put a hard tempo in valleys.

Yes, so more focus on catching breaks than setting a hard pace on the climbs, Pogačar can defend himself on the uphill.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, so more focus on catching breaks than setting a hard pace on the climbs, Pogačar can defend himself on the uphill.

Sivakov, Yates and Almeida can create chaos on the last climb but Politt, Narvaez, Soler and Wellens will sufocate the peloton before.

 

[Fos]

I don't believe Pogacar will gain time on Jonas in the TT.

This is completely biased by the last TT, but it's normal for it to be ahead. It would be more accurate if it were the third week and the route included climbs, at least with the pre-2024 Pogi.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This is completely biased by the last TT, but it's normal for it to be ahead. It would be more accurate if it were the third week and the route included climbs, at least with the pre-2024 Pogi.

It is. Last year, Pogacar crushed Vingegaard in a hilly TT

 

[scribers]

This is a merry go round of comparing injured rider vs fully prepared rider.

We’ll know more in a few weeks with respect to a lot of things. Don’t expect Vingo to not be competitive until we see it with our eyes. The last two decades are full of winners who show up in July and no one remembers what happened in the spring.