Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Charlyghoul]

No, the competition is way much better and specialised today compared with Merckx era.

But how is it though? If that were true you would have at least 4 or 5 guys specialising in the tour and being able to consistently finish in the top places. But there isn’t anybody, apart from Pog and Vingo?

If anything the Armstrong era was more specialised in that respect, you had Lance, Ulrich , Basso, Mancebo, Valverde…now the top two is pretty much set. The rest of the top ten can be basically anybody. It isn’t more specialised at all and if it is, it’s a terrible job of being specialised

 

[Charlyghoul]

im just playing,off course eddie is goat.if pog had same mentality,he would put half of peleton on therapy.

Pog absolutely can be compared to Merckx, I would like it if it happens , but he needs another 3-4 years of the same dominance , and it hasn’t happened yet.

Merckx is rightfully goat, there aren’t many sports where a guy is basically on a pedestal all by himself, I can’t think of any actually where a guy is so far away from everyone else,.
As another poster says it’s a compliment to Pogacar ability to be starting to be compared to him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No , I assume neither did you? What is your point ?

The way you talk about him, it's like you watched him

 

[hayneplane]

Merckx in 69’ his first tour win, and the last one where he could climb at his peak due to injury, won the tour by 18 minutes from 2nd place Roger Pingeon, Pingeon had won the tour in 67’ and beaten Ocana to the Vuelta in 69’.
Merckx won 7 stages including the team time trial, won all three individual TT’s and came second in the prologue.
He won the mountains, points and combativity classifications.
In the same year he won San remo, Paris-nice, flanders and liege.

Pog can dream of such dominance

So Tour, 3 monuments and a major one week race.

Pogacar can surpass that this year by winning Lombardia and World RR.

 

[BubbaChuck]

he isnot so farway anymore.pog goat status is easy to argue simply by fact we are talking about ancient era.its like comparing jordan to will or russell numbers.

 

[Charlyghoul]

So Tour, 3 monuments and a major one week race.

Pogacar can surpass that this year by winning Lombardia and World RR.

Ok, plus the 18 minutes and 7 stages and all classifications…hope pog can do it

 

[Charlyghoul]

he isnot so farway anymore.pog goat status is easy to argue simply by fact we are talking about ancient era.its like comparing jordan to will or russell numbers.

Pog hasn’t shown to be the best tter of his generation or able to sprint with the best. Merckx could do it all, Pog has ‘only’ shown that he’s the best climber, he doesn’t dominate everything else, as Merckx did

 

[BubbaChuck]

you on repeat.

 

[Charlyghoul]

The way you talk about him, it's like you watched him

No just think he was a special athlete as I’ve just said I think he’s almost unique among sports for what he did. Maybe in darts and snooker there’s someone the same, but not in proper athletic sports.
And this with a long term injury that could never be resolved.
Again it’s a compliment to Pog that he can be compared to him

 

[Charlyghoul]

you on repeat.

Ok Pog is the greatest , if they were both prime for prime Merckx can attack as many times as he wants Pog doesn’t get out of zone 2 🙄

 

[Charlyghoul]

just a shame he can be dominated by a cyclo cross rider at Roubaix and can’t win a San remo, would be nice when it’s all said and done if Pog can win at least one to compare to eddys 7, and those 5 giros.

At least Pog can beat his only rival at the tour, most of the time , when he’s not getting cracked.

Pou -pou and joop would dominate this era

 

[BubbaChuck]

who is stronger,eddie or pog on bread and water,old bikes.50 races.

 

[Charlyghoul]

who is stronger,eddie or pog on bread and water,old bikes.50 races.

1st eddy
2nd coppi
3rd Bobet
4th Pogi

 

[BubbaChuck]

all time?

 

[BubbaChuck]

coppi greater than eddie,if no war.

 

[Charlyghoul]

I don’t think of any of them raced on bread and water, but if they did

A top ten of something like
Eddy
Hinault
Anquetil
Bartali
Coppi
Pog
Indurain
Lemond
Fignon
Vingegaard

Perhaps not in that order , but something like that, maybe

 

[Brullnux]

I don’t think of any of them raced on bread and water, but if they did

A top ten of something like
Eddy
Hinault
Anquetil
Bartali
Coppi
Pog
Indurain
Lemond
Fignon
Vingegaard

Perhaps not in that order , but something like that, maybe

How is Vingegaard in the top ten? Is this in terms of career success or like a random rating of 'talent'?

 

[Charlyghoul]

coppi greater than eddie,if no war.

I think both Coppi and Bartali could be up there without the war. Bartali won the tour in 38, when he won again in 48 he was 34 ? Quite ancient for an athlete in those days. No reason why he couldn’t be a 5 x tour champ without the war

 

[Charlyghoul]

How is Vingegaard in the top ten? Is this in terms of career success or like a random rating of 'talent'?

It was between him and Bobet for tenth, I’m not sure if he even is a better climber than Gaul or Bahamontes, but it’s late, the list was a very quick one.
I also give Vingegaard points for coming back from his injury so well last year.

 

[hayneplane]

Ok, plus the 18 minutes and 7 stages and all classifications…hope pog can do it

If he hadn’t been worn down mentally by the criticism he would have comfortably won the Green Jersey as well, minimum 2 more stages and a 10 minute gap.

 

[BubbaChuck]

So your reasoning is that pog is biggest ''clinic'' merchant of all greats.

 

[Charlyghoul]

And yes based on a rating of talent, I’ve already said I think Pog could eventually be up there with Merckx, (maybe) and ving has pushed him at times and beaten him.
But you can put in quite a few riders in the 8th -10th places and everyone can have a different opinion. Zoetemelk , Bobet, Ving, Froome , Contador could all be there

 

[Charlyghoul]

So your reasoning is that pog is biggest ''clinic'' merchant of all greats.

I don’t know. I don’t care. My only issue is putting Pog above him when he clearly hasn’t done enough yet

 

[rafa92]

who is stronger,eddie or pog on bread and water,old bikes.50 races.

you do realize that if everybody raced today with the same bikes and nutrition of 50 years ago the gaps would be much larger in favour of who has more natural talent? when everybody trains and takes care of nutrition like a maniac and focuses on marginal gains it becomes exponentially harder for anyone to dominate. (it's the equivalent of what happens in competitive markets if you want to find a link to economics).
The gap that pogacar has in the modern era is the biggest testament to his greatness. With old bikes and nutrition his gap with the rest would probably be much larger and his dominance even greater. I really do not understand how people do not get this point

 

[Peyroteo94]

So Tour, 3 monuments and a major one week race.

Pogacar can surpass that this year by winning Lombardia and World RR.

For the second year in a row, Pogacar is matching Merckx's dominance. This is beyond incredible in this era.