Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Extinction]

No, he gained time because he could get away with Stuyven

Well we can't say Vingegaard, Roglic, Thomas, etc., would not have gone with him, because they were taken out by a flat or crash (hay bale). In the end, however, the chase behind, except for Roglic, who was the most unfortunate, went significantly faster than Pogacar and Stuyven

 

[sir fly]

Proving himself anytime and everywhere.
The best racer in a long time.

 

[Extinction]

The stage was 10 km too long for them it seems. But your last sentence is not true. During most difficult cobble sections Pog and Stuyven were strongest and fastest of them all (including JV collective efforts).

No it is true, because when Pog and Stuyven attacked Vingegaard and Roglic were already held up with misfortunes. We have no way of knowing had they been with Pog when he attacked, and the surely would have if they hadn't flatted or crashed, if he would have dropped them.

 

[roundabout]

Sure but if Jumbo hadn't spent so much energy bringing Vingegaard back, they would have caught them.

Yeah, my point was that he rode actively on the cobbles, if he did not, he would not have gained any time at all even with misfortune of others

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tomorrow is a big day. Too many tired legs and he can put some time in his rivals again

 

[skippo12]

Two rider lose time to a big chasing group. Not really a miracle. If Pog wasn´t levels above the other GC guys he would have finished with the Gaudu-Vlasov group that was caught by the JV train (mostly WVA).

 

[Extinction]

Two rider lose time to a big chasing group. Not really a miracle. If Pog wasn´t levels above the other GC guys he would have finished with the Gaudu-Vlasov group that was caught by the JV train (mostly WVA).

Sure, but he himself said he was barely hanging on to Stuyven in the end. Natural, I suppose, as Stuyven is a cobbles specialist, but still I was a bit surprised to see him loose so much of his lead on the chasers in the end.

 

[skippo12]

Sure, but he himself said he was barely hanging on to Stuyven in the end. Natural, I suppose, as Stuyven is a cobbles specialist, but still I was a bit surprised to see him loose so much of his lead on the chasers in the end.

Similar to WVA yesterday. Invested a lot to create the gap. Paid for it in the end.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No it is true, because when Pog and Stuyven attacked Vingegaard and Roglic were already held up with misfortunes. We have no way of knowing had they been with Pog when he attacked, and the surely would have if they hadn't flatted or crashed, if he would have dropped them.

Did you see how Pog was riding? top3 of the peleton at every cobble section. Such positioning is the best to avoid crashes. But it requires a lot of power and handling skills. He helped his luck there. Obviously Primoz and Vinge were unlucky but its not all about luck on the cobbles.

 

[Extinction]

Did you see how Pog was riding? top3 of the peleton at every cobble section. Such positioning is the best to avoid crashes. But it requires a lot of power and handling skills. He helped his luck there. Obviously Primoz and Vinge were unlucky but its not all about luck on the cobbles.

Oh, sure, Pog was phenomenal today and didn't mean to take away from his performance, but just wanted to note that he was also "helped" by others misfortunes.

 

[sir fly]

Did you see how Pog was riding? top3 of the peleton at every cobble section. Such positioning is the best to avoid crashes. But it requires a lot of power and handling skills. He helped his luck there. Obviously Primoz and Vinge were unlucky but its not all about luck on the cobbles.

There's also the intuitive side, best visible just before Rogla's mishap... ride inside, further from the edges, rather than close to the trouble of the roadside.
The skill one develops competing early.

 

[Big Doopie]

pog is stunning to watch. such ease on every terrain. really wonderful.

hoping that someone develops to eventually give him some competition in the next few years.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like a penis after all. False alarm with the logo. He should likely sell the rights of the logo to the vaginas. To be used instead of the masterpiece.

Chapeau!

 

[noob]

When this stage was announced last year I knew Pog would be good on it. Like how could he not? How could anyone believe Jumbo could take time on him on this stage? So many people thought it was possible so I made myself believe it as well.

But I wasn't the slightest surprised today. The only thing that surprised me was that Jonas managed to catch up as well as he did.

 

[Pistolas]

When this stage was announced last year I knew Pog would be good on it. Like how could he not? How could anyone believe Jumbo could take time on him on this stage? So many people thought it was possible so I made myself believe it as well.

But I wasn't the slightest surprised today. The only thing that surprised me was that Jonas managed to catch up as well as he did.

Yes, today performance only surprises those who didn't watch him on the cobbles classics. My main expectation was to see who would help him if he had a crash or mechanical. My main question is if his focus this season on classics will cost him endurance on the long high altitude mountains. Let's see on the Alps.

 

[CyclistAbi]

When this stage was announced last year I knew Pog would be good on it. Like how could he not? How could anyone believe Jumbo could take time on him on this stage? So many people thought it was possible so I made myself believe it as well.

But I wasn't the slightest surprised today. The only thing that surprised me was that Jonas managed to catch up as well as he did.

Just for the record. Nairo Quintana finished ahead of JV.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

My main question is if his focus this season on classics will cost him endurance on the long high altitude mountains. Let's see on the Alps.

This is interesting. He did almost no long climbs this year in races but on the toughest he rode (Carpegna) he put 90 seconds into Vinge and co in just 4 kms.

He did a lot of long climbs during his camp so he shoul be fine.

 

[Cookster15]

Pog is looking very ominous. If he can ride like today then what can we expect when the mountains arrive? Good luck Vinge you will need it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Two critical stages in the next days. I really think he should put the hammer down, he is way more explosive than Vingegaard and no one has the same endurance and recovery so he could put another 30 seconds on his rivals.

 

[JosefK]

Two critical stages in the next days. I really think he should put the hammer down, he is way more explosive than Vingegaard and no one has the same endurance and recovery so he could put another 30 seconds on his rivals.

Big gaps on Friday, I think (in Pog's favor).

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Pogacar with Steuven were going slow in the end. They were down to 36 sec from break at one point, then finished at 51. Meanwhile Vingegaard was over a minute down to Pogacar, but then finished only 13 secs back. I saw a Pogacar tired and suffering in the end, even though he gained time on rivals, but only due to flats or crashes.

He deliberately hold down the gas to not get the yellow jersey…

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Big gaps on Friday, I think (in Pog's favor).

yeah. Climbs in 15-30 minutes range may be better for Pog to do the damage as history shows.

 

[Extinction]

He deliberately hold down the gas to not get the yellow jersey…

Nah, he was just going on fumes.

 

[Extinction]

Yes, today performance only surprises those who didn't watch him on the cobbles classics. My main expectation was to see who would help him if he had a crash or mechanical. My main question is if his focus this season on classics will cost him endurance on the long high altitude mountains. Let's see on the Alps.

Nah, altitude camps take care of that.

 

[hayneplane]

Awesome ride today. Attentive, always smooth and in position despite being isolated and such power.

A day like today will take more out of his rivals. Ideally tomorrow would also be super hard setting up PDBF for a thermonuclear explosion similar to day 1 in the mountains last year following a really hard fought first week where the race for Yellow between MVDP and WVA tracking each other all over France made for brutal fatigue even before the big mountains.

Really hope he puts Flanders and Roubaix on his schedule next year