Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

If Vingegaard has won the Vuelta like that, Pogacar could have won it too at a lower level than he is now.

And to think that he only has one more year of dominance in the Classics is quite dramatic, considering that Pedersen and VDP are stronger than ever at 30, and that Pogacar would have won Liège and Lombardia if he were less strong; he could win them by a smaller margin. He would win most sprints. If Remco didn't beat him when he was coocked at Amstel... and we're not talking about being coocked, but rather less dominant.

Pogacar needs to drop everyone to win cobbled classics and MSR. MVP doesn't. In LBL and GdL, I can see your point.

 

[hayneplane]

He will not be so dominant forever. Maybe he has only one more year in him to dominate cycling.
19 monuments seem out of reach IMO (right now). He needs to win MSR and PR and that is a big if.

That seems a very pessimistic take given that his main competitor (MVDP) is 2 years older and much more likely to decline sooner than him.

We can see that Remco Is also a generational level talent with a gap to the next riders every hit as big as the gap between himself and Pogacar so the hilly classics look secure for the next 2 years barring Seixas having a supersonic development curve. Maybe Remco with a new team and some different coaching input can find another couple of levels but even though I can see him improving I strongly doubt it can be enough.

 

[Peyroteo94]

That seems a very pessimistic take given that his main competitor (MVDP) is 2 years older and much more likely to decline sooner than him.

We can see that Remco Is also a generational level talent with a gap to the next riders every hit as big as the gap between himself and Pogacar so the hilly classics look secure for the next 2 years barring Seixas having a supersonic development curve. Maybe Remco with a new team and some different coaching input can find another couple of levels but even though I can see him improving I strongly doubt it can be enough.

I think Remco can be closer in classics to the point he gives Pogacar some (real) fight. In GTs, it's impossible for him, he will never climb like Pogacar (not even close to be honest).

 

[Lurkerman]

Flat courses shouldn't be allowed. I remember 2011 Copenhagen and was probably the worst WC I have ever seen.

Don't know which other countries have good cobbles like Paris Roubaix, but that could make for an interesting, flat WC course

 

[Peyroteo94]

Don't know which other countries have good cobbles like Paris Roubaix, but that could make for an interesting, flat WC course

I would love that!

 

[Bombarolo]

I have to say one thing. I'd like Pogacar to stop at 5 Lombardia, sharing the record with Fausto.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Now it's official. Pogacar released his performance on Strava.
20'57" in 656 vertical meters (7.1% in 9.18 km).
VAM = 1879 m/h.

 

[proffate]

That's wishful thinking. Domestiques will not bring Pogacar back when he attacks

If Pog had no team at Lombardia does Simmons start the Ganda with a 5 minute lead and manage to win it, or do the other teams ride in service of a Pog victory?

The thing about Pog winning without a team is that at the time he was flying under the radar.

You have to admit that having a team full of leaders as doms takes away any kind of tactical opportunities his opponents might otherwise have had.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Pog had no team at Lombardia does Simmons start the Ganda with a 5 minute lead and manage to win it, or do the other teams ride in service of a Pog victory?

The thing about Pog winning without a team is that at the time he was flying under the radar.

You have to admit that having a team full of leaders as doms takes away any kind of tactical opportunities his opponents might otherwise have had.

If Pogacar had no team, he would attack with 80 km to the finish.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Other thing, Simmons had (IIRC) a 2'40" lead before Ganda, he lost 4' in 9 km. Another 2'20" until the end of the race. So Simmons even with a 5' lead would not win GdL.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think Remco can be closer in classics to the point he gives Pogacar some (real) fight. In GTs, it's impossible for him, he will never climb like Pogacar (not even close to be honest).

I agree, it is not far stretched to think of a peak Remco who maybe also progress next year, and a Pogi who is in slightly less good shape than these past 2 years. If it happens Remco can be a threat on LBL at least.

 

[scribers]

I have to say one thing. I'd like Pogacar to stop at 5 Lombardia, sharing the record with Fausto.

Unfortunately, he might be more interested in sharing or bettering 19 with Merckx. He'll need more Lombardia to do that.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

So apparently he's is skipping P-R and Amstel next year.

I think it's a shame for all lovers of cycling. These two events are races with excitement and suspense, even though the invincible has been on the starting lists....

 

[Peyroteo94]

So apparently he's is skipping P-R and Amstel next year.

I think it's a shame for all lovers of cycling. These two events are races with excitement and suspense, even though the invincible has been on the starting lists....

Where did you see it?

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Where did you see it?

At Feltet.dk :

Pogacar overvejer at droppe to klassikere

Flamsk medie fortæller, at Pogacar overvejer at droppe to af de helt store forårsklassikere til næste sæson

www.feltet.dk

 

[HashRouge]

So apparently he's is skipping P-R and Amstel next year.

I think it's a shame for all lovers of cycling. These two events are races with excitement and suspense, even though the invincible has been on the starting lists....

I'd be gutted if he skips Roubaix. He surely has to ride it every year, it's hard for him to win.

 

[Peyroteo94]

At Feltet.dk :

Pogacar overvejer at droppe to klassikere

Flamsk medie fortæller, at Pogacar overvejer at droppe to af de helt store forårsklassikere til næste sæson

www.feltet.dk

Just rumours.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If Pog had no team at Lombardia does Simmons start the Ganda with a 5 minute lead and manage to win it, or do the other teams ride in service of a Pog victory?

The thing about Pog winning without a team is that at the time he was flying under the radar.

You have to admit that having a team full of leaders as doms takes away any kind of tactical opportunities his opponents might otherwise have had.

Lombardy is not the best example simply because Pogacar's advantage over the rest is really big in this terrain. He could've attacked earlier and smashed the competition. But even 5 minutes wouldn't give Simmons a victory: Pogacar got 6 minutes over him since the start of Ganda.

 

[HashRouge]

Just rumours.

He also said on Saturday that MSR and Roubaix are his big goals. The idea of him skipping Roubaix seems to be coming from someone else, probably Gianetti since we know he hated Pogacar riding Roubaix last year !

 

[Shortcut]

Just rumours.

Not just rumors, those are straight up lies. Yesterday he comfirmed(said it in slovenian interview) that his big goals for next year are MSR and P-R. Also said after TdF, that his goals for next year are P-R and TdF. So he talks about P-R like he spoke about WCs those two years. And we all know how that end..

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Just rumours.

OK, yes, just read original source now. I stand corrected. Feltet (and I!) should've learned not to fall in the trap of vicious Flemish newspaper rumors . The media must be in a panic to sell newspapers.

 

[peterfin]

He also said on Saturday that MSR and Roubaix are his big goals. The idea of him skipping Roubaix seems to be coming from someone else, probably Gianetti since we know he hated Pogacar riding Roubaix last year !

UAE has its new leader for P-R: Florian Vermeersch. And he will win it. Mark my words. There is not need for Pogacar to go to the hell of the north and take risks prior to his 5th TdF. He can us P-R as a future goal to keep him motivated.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

UAE has its new leader for P-R: Florian Vermeersch. And he will win it. Mark my words.

Yes, especially if MvDP has 10 punctures
Don't get me wrong, I've cheered for both Vermeersch brothers right from they entered the scene, and just until the two spring predators started to enter the buffet, I've really had true confidence that both Vermeersch and Turgis could win P-R. But recent couple of years I'll compare it to having confidense that Simmons can hold back Pogi at Ganda in Il Lombardia....

 

[Jan the Man]

Pog himself has said he has MSR and PR as his big goals- would be amazed if the story of him skipping PR has any legs whatsoever

 

[Salvarani]

Pog himself has said he has MSR and PR as his big goals- would be amazed if the story of him skipping PR has any legs whatsoever

It only makes sense if he chooses to skip cobbles next season.

We will see what happens.