Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Extinction]

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He sounded like a 40 yo washed up guy after the Tour. He's shown recently that he's far from done but he doesn't sound like a guy who's willing to continue after 30 (hinting he'll start considering retirement after 2028 season).

If he can, he will.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

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If he can, he will.

Maybe he can't. Urshka is not getting any younger, they will start their kids factory in 2028. They are top sportsmen and know it's easier to share an effort: I'm fully expecting Teddy to bear some of their children.

 

[Rou]

Maybe he can't. Urshka is not getting any younger, they will start their kids factory in 2028. They are top sportsmen and know it's easier to share an effort: I'm fully expecting Teddy to bear some of their children.

When you said 'bear' do you mean what I think you mean?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

When you said 'bear' do you mean what I think you mean?

This is freaking Teddy P., a wonderboy who rides his bike as if he was on a motorcycle. Impossible is nothing for this demi-God.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Vingegaard has won the Vuelta like that, Pogacar could have won it too at a lower level than he is now.

And to think that he only has one more year of dominance in the Classics is quite dramatic, considering that Pedersen and VDP are stronger than ever at 30, and that Pogacar would have won Liège and Lombardia if he were less strong; he could win them by a smaller margin. He would win most sprints. If Remco didn't beat him when he was coocked at Amstel... and we're not talking about being coocked, but rather less dominant.

Pogacar needs to drop everyone to win cobbled classics and MSR. MVP doesn't. In LBL and GdL, I can see your point.

 

[hayneplane]

He will not be so dominant forever. Maybe he has only one more year in him to dominate cycling.
19 monuments seem out of reach IMO (right now). He needs to win MSR and PR and that is a big if.

That seems a very pessimistic take given that his main competitor (MVDP) is 2 years older and much more likely to decline sooner than him.

We can see that Remco Is also a generational level talent with a gap to the next riders every hit as big as the gap between himself and Pogacar so the hilly classics look secure for the next 2 years barring Seixas having a supersonic development curve. Maybe Remco with a new team and some different coaching input can find another couple of levels but even though I can see him improving I strongly doubt it can be enough.

 

[Peyroteo94]

That seems a very pessimistic take given that his main competitor (MVDP) is 2 years older and much more likely to decline sooner than him.

We can see that Remco Is also a generational level talent with a gap to the next riders every hit as big as the gap between himself and Pogacar so the hilly classics look secure for the next 2 years barring Seixas having a supersonic development curve. Maybe Remco with a new team and some different coaching input can find another couple of levels but even though I can see him improving I strongly doubt it can be enough.

I think Remco can be closer in classics to the point he gives Pogacar some (real) fight. In GTs, it's impossible for him, he will never climb like Pogacar (not even close to be honest).

 

[Lurkerman]

Flat courses shouldn't be allowed. I remember 2011 Copenhagen and was probably the worst WC I have ever seen.

Don't know which other countries have good cobbles like Paris Roubaix, but that could make for an interesting, flat WC course

 

[Peyroteo94]

Don't know which other countries have good cobbles like Paris Roubaix, but that could make for an interesting, flat WC course

I would love that!

 

[Bombarolo]

I have to say one thing. I'd like Pogacar to stop at 5 Lombardia, sharing the record with Fausto.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Now it's official. Pogacar released his performance on Strava.
20'57" in 656 vertical meters (7.1% in 9.18 km).
VAM = 1879 m/h.

 

[proffate]

That's wishful thinking. Domestiques will not bring Pogacar back when he attacks

If Pog had no team at Lombardia does Simmons start the Ganda with a 5 minute lead and manage to win it, or do the other teams ride in service of a Pog victory?

The thing about Pog winning without a team is that at the time he was flying under the radar.

You have to admit that having a team full of leaders as doms takes away any kind of tactical opportunities his opponents might otherwise have had.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Pog had no team at Lombardia does Simmons start the Ganda with a 5 minute lead and manage to win it, or do the other teams ride in service of a Pog victory?

The thing about Pog winning without a team is that at the time he was flying under the radar.

You have to admit that having a team full of leaders as doms takes away any kind of tactical opportunities his opponents might otherwise have had.

If Pogacar had no team, he would attack with 80 km to the finish.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Other thing, Simmons had (IIRC) a 2'40" lead before Ganda, he lost 4' in 9 km. Another 2'20" until the end of the race. So Simmons even with a 5' lead would not win GdL.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think Remco can be closer in classics to the point he gives Pogacar some (real) fight. In GTs, it's impossible for him, he will never climb like Pogacar (not even close to be honest).

I agree, it is not far stretched to think of a peak Remco who maybe also progress next year, and a Pogi who is in slightly less good shape than these past 2 years. If it happens Remco can be a threat on LBL at least.

 

[scribers]

I have to say one thing. I'd like Pogacar to stop at 5 Lombardia, sharing the record with Fausto.

Unfortunately, he might be more interested in sharing or bettering 19 with Merckx. He'll need more Lombardia to do that.