Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Red Rick

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Contador posted is data from before one of his Tour wins and it was 20 minutes at 458. He's lighter than Froome, but yeah different times.

I don't think it should be ignored that highest power estimates in racing conditions last year were probably in the Vuelta. Make of that what you will, but it's definitely lower altitude and shorter climbs. I also think it's a bit of a misconception we should expect much lower values just cause it's earlier in the year. The short 15 minute effort after a relatively easy day is probably the type of effort that's closer to GT form than anything else. No need to have the endurance down for 3 weeks yet either.

In 2015 Contador and Froome posted Hazallanas times that would've been 2nd and 3rd in in the 2013 Vuelta after Chris Horner (yeah that Chris Horner) in February.
 
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Red Rick said:
I also think it's a bit of a misconception we should expect much lower values just cause it's earlier in the year. The short 15 minute effort after a relatively easy day is probably the type of effort that's closer to GT form than anything else. No need to have the endurance down for 3 weeks yet either.
In 2015 Contador and Froome posted Hazallanas times that would've been 2nd and 3rd in in the 2013 Vuelta after Chris Horner (yeah that Chris Horner) in February.
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I guess one reason why one could imagine early season short efforts aren't up there yet is winter fat/excess weight. But I guess the Jan Ullrich days are far behind us, these days most pro's are probably rather disciplined. And Chris Horner... I got his (in)famous Sierra Road ascent in the 2011 ToC pegged at about 6.9 W/kg (an estimate from ascent time and weight, since there is no power data); this was a 16min49s effort on a 3.5 mile, 9% grade hill - I actually watched him that day, couldn't believe what gear he was pushing, standing up the whole way, reality distortion field in full effect...
 
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I just want Contador, Froome and Nibali to all poast their final test from before the 2014 Tour.
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That would make indeed for some nice analysis/fretting over numbers... The data is probably all out there somewhere living on various hard drives, sadly we most likely won't ever get to see it. Glad young riders like Pogacar, Haig etc post up everything - if anyone believes the nonsense it's a competitive disadvantage to be transparent with power data these guys disprove that...
 
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Good ride today for the stage win, I think he realized GC is out of reach so this was the next best thing.


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Red Rick said:
Contador posted is data from before one of his Tour wins and it was 20 minutes at 458. He's lighter than Froome, but yeah different times.

I don't think it should be ignored that highest power estimates in racing conditions last year were probably in the Vuelta. Make of that what you will, but it's definitely lower altitude and shorter climbs. I also think it's a bit of a misconception we should expect much lower values just cause it's earlier in the year. The short 15 minute effort after a relatively easy day is probably the type of effort that's closer to GT form than anything else. No need to have the endurance down for 3 weeks yet either.

In 2015 Contador and Froome posted Hazallanas times that would've been 2nd and 3rd in in the 2013 Vuelta after Chris Horner (yeah that Chris Horner) in February.
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The Vuelta has so many extreme climbs it's not surprising that you'd see some higher efforts. You don't have much choice when the road exceeds 20%. You also don't have much time or focus to look at a power meter trying to stay on someone's wheel.
 
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Oldermanish said:
The Vuelta has so many extreme climbs it's not surprising that you'd see some higher efforts. You don't have much choice when the road exceeds 20%. You also don't have much time or focus to look at a power meter trying to stay on someone's wheel.
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Re-watched Vuelta's Stage 20 and it's clear Tadej knows how his body feels. He took that podium spot on sheer effort and didn't appear to ever look at his computer. Ahhhh youth! This one has discipline well beyond his age and that may be his best attribute.
 
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Koronin said:
He also isn't going to sneak up on anyone again as a GT contender.
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He was a talented opportunist, for sure and that's the price of a podium. Ask his teammate, Mr. Aru. That said; he also exploited the politics between teams well when they were trying to retrieve him. Presumably he could get stronger and so could his squad which complicates how you deal with the new depth in GC races. You've got Bernal, Carapaz, Higuita, some Americans and Belgians and probably another passle of Columbians to cloud strategy. As long as we have several predominant teams, rather than a single Discovery/Sky/Ineos conglomerate the opportunities will be there for guys like him, Nairo and others. He's been on the first podium step in Espana. It's still a team game so we'll see where he goes. I'd love to see him on a team with some help.
 
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He didn' sneak up, he announced himself already in Andorra, in 9th stage. He didn't get that podium because others underestimated him, but because he was so damn strong!
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I'm not entirely sure other teams thought he would be strong enough to still be there at the end and pull off that escape on stage 20, which was very impressive.
 
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I'm not entirely sure other teams thought he would be strong enough to still be there at the end and pull off that escape on stage 20, which was very impressive.
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It didn't take him long to figure that they were all gassed as his gap got over 1:30 and there wasn't anything Astana or Movistar could do. Having the discipline to hold that advantage shows strength of legs and mindset. He appeared smart enough to secure the win as much as the gap, too.
 
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It didn't take him long to figure that they were all gassed as his gap got over 1:30 and there wasn't anything Astana or Movistar could do. Having the discipline to hold that advantage shows strength of legs and mindset. He appeared smart enough to secure the win as much as the gap, too.
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Movistar on that stage didn't have their radios working. The rain killed their radios and the riders on that team had no idea how far away Pogacar had gotten. Valverde said on the final climb fans were yelling at him that he was in danger of loosing his 2nd place on the final podium and when they realized he didn't know he was getting time gaps yelled to him by fans on the final climb. That's why he went when he did. I don't think the teams expected Pogacar to do what he did. The only two riders who may have been able to do something were Roglic and Valverde who kept their spots by doing what they had to do.
 
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