Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[shadowrider]

In fact, I think it's so certain he would have won 2020 Lombardia and Giro that Jakob and Tao should seriously consider handing their un-deserved trophies to Remco voluntarily... They can only be grateful if he accepts their tokens of good will given how long they have unjustly withheld them from their rightful owner.

You don't recognice irony......

So one could say Roglic seriously consider handing his un-deserved Girotrophy to Evenepoel. And Evenepoel consider handing his un-deserved Vueltatrophy 22 to Roglic. And Pogacar consider handing his un-deserved Tourtrophy 2020 to Roglic after the present Roglic did to Pogacar during one of the stages and after Roglic wearing his helmet in a clownish way during the last TT.....

 

[bNator]

You don't recognice irony......

So one could say Roglic seriously consider handing his un-deserved Girotrophy to Evenepoel. And Evenepoel consider handing his un-deserved Vueltatrophy 22 to Roglic. And Pogacar consider handing his un-deserved Tourtrophy 2020 to Roglic after the present Roglic did to Pogacar during one of the stages and after Roglic wearing his helmet in a clownish way during the last TT.....

There's a fine line between irony and sarcasm. And it's ironic when one accuses another of not recognising irony when in fact, they meant sarcasm.

 

[shadowrider]

I thought Remco would have won with minutes...

Strange, where do you get that from? I don't remember him or his team saying that before the Vuelta. Not even his fans.

Meanwhile you don't reply to my comment that Roglic wasn't able to win the Vuelta 2023...

 

[shadowrider]

There's a fine line between irony and sarcasm. And it's ironic when one accuses another of not recognising irony when in fact, they meant sarcasm.

So it was sarcasm from my side..... you not recognising irony. Meanwhile you are not able to react in a mature and substantive way. And that's what this forum is about (or should be).

 

[bNator]

Strange, where do you get that from? I don't remember him or his team saying that before the Vuelta. Not even his fans.

Meanwhile you don't reply to my comment that Roglic wasn't able to win the Vuelta 2023...

Why should I reply to that comment? I bet you're the only one who doesn't see the absurdity of the situation when a fan of a guy who came in 12th launches a series of feeble attempts to diss a guy that came 3rd.

So no, I think I will just let you tangle a bit more TBH...

So it was sarcasm from my side..... you not recognising irony.

sure...

Meanwhile you are not able to react in a mature and substantive way. And that's what this forum is about (or should be).

That's because you're trolling (or at least I hope you are...). The absurdity of your claims prevents any serious response.

 

[Elos Anjos]

@bNator don't waste your time replying to the troll. He has a lot of free time to spare with his "facts and statistics" and will calm down after a while if no one spares him attention.

 

[bNator]

@bNator don't waste your time replying to the troll. He has a lot of free time to spare with his "facts and statistics" and will calm down after a while if no one spares him attention.

Thanks, I know what you mean and I frequently offer the same advice to others too. I am fully aware they're a troll but still can't help myself

 

[Blanco]

You always win or loose (a GT) with the legs and the head.
Roglic didn't have the legs for winning the Vuelta 2023. He was good, but not at toplevel (anymore, due to his age ?). That was obvious in the TT. The last week he did attack (against teamorders), but it just blew back after a few minutes. Without the "Kuss-present", Vingegaard would have won with minutes, even not being at a toplevel (after the Tour).

Vingegaard was good at Vuelta, but he was never going to win it, which was obvious in the TT. He could only gain time when Roglic decided to gift him by not going to follow. It was so obvious. I mean he was dying in Roglic's wheel on Javalambre and Angliru, he couldn't even take a turn. In the end Plugge must had react, to stop the disaster of Roglic beating the reigning Tour champion.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Vingegaard was good at Vuelta, but he was never going to win it, which was obvious in the TT. He could only gain time when Roglic decided to gift him by not going to follow. It was so obvious. I mean he was dying in Roglic's wheel on Javalambre and Angliru, he couldn't even take a turn. In the end Plugge must had react, to stop the disaster of Roglic beating the reigning Tour champion.

Neither Vingegaard nor Roglič were going all out on Angliru.

 

[Netserk]

Neither Vingegaard nor Roglič were going all out on Angliru.

I don't think so. They were mighty fast, probably the best performance of Rogla on a HC climb.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I don't think so. They were mighty fast, probably the best performance of Rogla on a HC climb.

I'm not saying they were riding slowly, but it wasn't exactly a real fight for the win either.

 

[scribers]

Vingegaard was good at Vuelta, but he was never going to win it, which was obvious in the TT. He could only gain time when Roglic decided to gift him by not going to follow. It was so obvious. I mean he was dying in Roglic's wheel on Javalambre and Angliru, he couldn't even take a turn. In the end Plugge must had react, to stop the disaster of Roglic beating the reigning Tour champion.

I agree with you Vingo lost in the ITT. I guess he had a belly ache or no July juice to go from the greatest ITT performance to nothing weeks later. Or whatever. The rest of your theory not so much. Roglic was interested in pressing the leaders jersey. Vingo not so much

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I don't think so. They were mighty fast, probably the best performance of Rogla on a HC climb.

Does the level just keep getting higher and higher on the big climbs??

 

[Netserk]

I'm not saying they were riding slowly, but it wasn't exactly a real fight for the win either.

Sure, Vingegaard didn't try to make a difference. Rogla did.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Sure, Vingegaard didn't try to make a difference. Rogla did.

I still think Rogla was holding back a little, when it became clear he wasn't going to drop Vingegaard easily. He wanted to send a message, but I doubt he wanted to risk blowing up when it wasn't necessary.

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard was good at Vuelta, but he was never going to win it, which was obvious in the TT. He could only gain time when Roglic decided to gift him by not going to follow. It was so obvious. I mean he was dying in Roglic's wheel on Javalambre and Angliru, he couldn't even take a turn. In the end Plugge must had react, to stop the disaster of Roglic beating the reigning Tour champion.

Irony right? 😂

 

[nightowl]

Roglic vs Vingegaard is shaping up to be this year’s Roglic vs Remco debate…just waiting for the official thread to pop up

 

[SHAD0W93]

Gosh the way these last two pages were going I thought I was in one of the few nonPogacar threads.

 

[Blanco]

Irony right? 😂

No, objective post. Just like shadowrider posts are

 

[Froome]

No, objective post. Just like shadowrider posts are

Ok.

Vingegaard wasn't dying on angliru, clearly he could had gone more faster, you can see that by his body language. On Javalambre he was suffering a bit more because he had stomach issues, but he could sustain the pace.

There's certain riders you can read his body language and see if they are in trouble or not, others riders can "hide" better when they are suffering. Vingegaard belongs to the first group.

 

[shadowrider]

Why should I reply to that comment? I bet you're the only one who doesn't see the absurdity of the situation when a fan of a guy who came in 12th launches a series of feeble attempts to diss a guy that came 3rd.

So no, I think I will just let you tangle a bit more TBH...


sure...


That's because you're trolling (or at least I hope you are...). The absurdity of your claims prevents any serious response.

Again, no substantial answer. Crystal clear.
Is that the way you argue (or not ?). With your collegues ? Your boss ? Your students ? I pity them

 

[shadowrider]

Vingegaard was good at Vuelta, but he was never going to win it, which was obvious in the TT. He could only gain time when Roglic decided to gift him by not going to follow. It was so obvious. I mean he was dying in Roglic's wheel on Javalambre and Angliru, he couldn't even take a turn. In the end Plugge must had react, to stop the disaster of Roglic beating the reigning Tour champion.

Well, Roglic didn't perform in the TT. Later, frustrated by the teamorders, he attacked (also attacking Kuss and Vingegaard). But he had not the legs and was overtaken again. I advice you to review those last stages of th Vuelta.

 

[Blanco]

Well, Roglic didn't perform in the TT. Later, frustrated by the teamorders, he attacked (also attacking Kuss and Vingegaard). But he had not the legs and was overtaken again. I advice you to review those last stages of th Vuelta.

Roglic was 42 sec faster than Vingegaard in that ITT where he didn't perform.
And he was overtaken where exactly?

 

[shadowrider]

Roglic was 42 sec faster than Vingegaard in that ITT where he didn't perform.
And he was overtaken where exactly?

In one of the stages the last week. He attacked uphill, took 50 m but couldn't extend his lead. Ayuso and co came easily back. Then it was clear Roglic couldn't win the Vuelta anymore.

 

[Blanco]

In one of the stages the last week. He attacked uphill, took 50 m but couldn't extend his lead. Ayuso and co came easily back. Then it was clear Roglic couldn't win the Vuelta anymore.

No he was pacing Kuss, because Vingegaard attacked, and when he noticed that Kuss dropped he came back after him.
In the next stage he attcked, and everyone dropped bar Vingegaard, who was hanging for dear life.