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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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This has been one of the best Giros in recent years, you're all tripping. The only two genuinely and stages have been Stages 8 and 10. Stages 1 through 7 were all entertaining, Stage 9 was very fun, Stage 12 also excellent, yesterday better than normal, too.
Many of the boring comments appear to be blaming race design and Pogacar for knowing how to race his bicycle. Everyone had the same fresh legs,full squads in the early days. UAE created pressure and pushed. Pogacar got double the satisfaction w stage victories and the time associated with winning. Since then he and the team done standard stuff like racing near the front out of trouble and using radio and team car and structure to never allow anything, anyone possibly threatening to roll off the front. Polti appear to be only team that don't consider themselves equal w world tour level teams and are racing accordingly. They are getting hours of camera time, Italian fans seeing Italian riders off the front, beating UAE,Pogacar and the rest at some time during the race. Hearing Thomas post race interviews about " GC guys" and where they are, who cares!!? Some team needs to go all or nothing and try and put pressure on someone, maybe Pogacar. Everyone taking their cues off Pog is sort of silly, if you ride next to him the entire race it's a predictable outcome, so I personally don't care who sits in and finishes top 5 or 10, would much rather see some kind of suicide mission and at least try and challenge him and win. All this racing smart stuff is too predictable. People writing that it's Pogacar's fault that no-one will attack him or the race accept for Alaphilpe and conti teams, only people willing to gamble. No Ineos, riding in the crosswind for @5-8 minutes is not gambling
 
I think his ITTs were pretty much in line with what weve seen before from him. He just doesnt do that many of them in great shape somehow.

If there is a better level for him it has to happen at the Tour

Pogacar in top form is a monster on TTs up to about 50 kph of average speed (which indicates rolling course, or partially flat / partially hilly). The first part of today's TT was more or less like that (but the second was less favourable), also the first ITT of this Giro and the first ITT of the Tour in 2021 were like that. He isn't a master of CdA (miner style according to Dumo) nor the most powerful guy in absolute terms so on faster courses he starts losing time to the best of the best.
 
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Pogi was only 29s away today, Vingegaard took 31s on the 19 first fast (50.6 kmh) minutes on stage 16 in last year's Tour. Or maybe even better example - stage 20 in the 2022 Tour. Vingegaard, before the ITT turned hilly again, was 22s in front of Pogi and 25s in front of Ganna, with a 53.2 kmh average.

So not sure. July Vingegaard seems to be able to do it. At least in the 2nd half of a GT.
 
Pogi was only 29s away today, Vingegaard took 31s on the 19 first fast (50.6 kmh) minutes on stage 16 in last year's Tour. Or maybe even better example - stage 20 in the 2022 Tour. Vingegaard, before the ITT turned hilly again, was 22s in front of Pogi and 25s in front of Ganna, with a 53.2 kmh average.

So not sure. July Vingegaard seems to be able to do it. At least in the 2nd half of a GT.
definitely agree that july vingegaard can do 53kph on this course but so is pogi especially of last year. Those guys are insanely talented that they could do 7w/kg for 20 mins three days in a row. At the tour they are on a different planet. People might think this is pogis ceiling of TT performance but he will easily go 40 secs faster at the tour.
 

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definitely agree that july vingegaard can do 53kph on this course but so is pogi especially of last year. Those guys are insanely talented that they could do 7w/kg for 20 mins three days in a row. At the tour they are on a different planet. People might think this is pogis ceiling of TT performance but he will easily go 40 secs faster at the tour.
Today he did not look emptied like Ganna did, maybe a gift?. Just joking (the gift part).
 
Today he did not look emptied like Ganna did, maybe a gift?. Just joking (the gift part).
Its basically a training. and i'm not joking if anyone watched the whole TT stage of yesterdays and last weeks TT. U could see him doing threshold intervals on his TT bike like 20/40 secs before the TT starts on his roller. I've never seen in my life anyone doing a threshold interval before a road race let alone a 35&50 min TT. he didn't want to tell he is training in this giro so that everyone wont make the race as hard as possible.
 
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Its basically a training. and i'm not joking if anyone watched the whole TT stage of yesterdays and last weeks TT. U could see him doing threshold intervals on his TT bike like 20/40 secs before the TT starts on his roller. I've never seen in my life anyone doing a threshold interval before a road race let alone a 35&50 min TT. he didn't want to tell he is training in this giro so that everyone wont make the race as hard as possible.
Warmups have some high intensity work in them.
 
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