I watched Nicky win that Japan meme race the other day. Long way to go to become GOATThese kids haven't even watched Vino and they're talking about goats.
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I watched Nicky win that Japan meme race the other day. Long way to go to become GOATThese kids haven't even watched Vino and they're talking about goats.
His tour 2027 bid will be one for the ages.I watched Nicky win that Japan meme race the other day. Long way to go to become GOAT
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Roadworks still havent been completed either, sign is still there on the right!!!
Agree. I am more thinking towards next year.Unless there is a miraculous recovery this year we will not see a duel on equal terms, nor did it happen last year. So far the only time it has happened has been in 2022.
And that's hopeful projection...ing that I share.Agree. I am more thinking towards next year.
Visma have had zero luck with crashes and illness this year, so at the moment it seems Roglic and Bora are Pogacar's main rivals for the Tour. Also Pogacar's penchant for full gas racing might come come back and bite him if it's 30C for 3 weeks.Jonas will field a team that can control the race and pace him back if needed. If Jumbo is as strong as we have seen in recent Tours, it will be very hard for Tadej to deliver on the double. What a feat it would be! What an opportunity! He can do it.
Maybe they’re drinking alcohol again for last years celebrations.Visma have had zero luck with crashes and illness this year, so at the moment it seems Roglic and Bora are Pogacar's main rivals for the Tour. Also Pogacar's penchant for full gas racing might come come back and bite him if it's 30C for 3 weeks.
I also feel he improved compared to last year. Not by that much but enough to challenge Vingegaard at the TDF if both of them would be at their best.Great win by Pog again and puts the finishing touches on his Giro. Stinks he didn’t get to the 10 min mark (dang Narvaez) and crazy to think some don’t see an improvement from Pogacar when this isn’t his main goal and he’s performing like this especially compared to someone else’s performance on their secondary GT goal. It’s shaping up to be a great Tour for us viewers
At the Giro, Pog has had quite a few easy days. At the Tour with harder competition, he won't have a single easy day.I also feel he improved compared to last year. Not by that much but enough to challenge Vingegaard at the TDF if both of them would be at their best.
I disagree that this wasn’t a main goal. I would even say that his performance emphasises this. Doubt he’ll be this good for 3 weeks straight in the TDF.
Before the year, at the start of the season, and during the Giro he has said the Tour is the main goal. This can be shown by how easy he’s taken the race. His level will be higher, it’s just a question on his ability to sustain it.I also feel he improved compared to last year. Not by that much but enough to challenge Vingegaard at the TDF if both of them would be at their best.
I disagree that this wasn’t a main goal. I would even say that his performance emphasises this. Doubt he’ll be this good for 3 weeks straight in the TDF.
It was obvious from his performances that the giro was not the biggest goal of the year. Get back to oropa, everyone expected him to beat pantanis time but was nowhere near that putting just 26 secs on his rivals. But as his manager said he built his form throughout the race and was on top shape in the 3rd week. And If pog is 1kg lighter at the tour then good luck to the "big" 3.I also feel he improved compared to last year. Not by that much but enough to challenge Vingegaard at the TDF if both of them would be at their best.
I disagree that this wasn’t a main goal. I would even say that his performance emphasises this. Doubt he’ll be this good for 3 weeks straight in the TDF.
I agree we cant write off vingegaard for the tour and everyone reacts to an injury differently. In 2014 froome and contador had injuries with fractured wrist with froome and fractured tibia with contador which forced him off his bike for three weeks. We might say contador has the worst injury coz it was knee issue but In the vuelta froome was not himself for some days and contador was incredible.So obviously Vingegaards preparation for the Tour would be far from ideal, even if he can start. But what I fail to understand is this obsession of comparing his recovery to that of Pogacar last year and using the fact Pogacar got beaten as proof that even Poacars preparation last year wasn't enough to win. But that argument just takes it for granted that Pogacar could have been much better without the wrist injury which we have no proof of whatsoever. All things considered I think it's fair to say that he looked better last year than in 2022, so why should I think the injury made a big difference? Maybe a small one, maybe him cracking on Col de la Loze had something to do with bad preparation, but that's pure speculation.
My guess is, Vingegaard will not be good enough to win the Tour, but I'm not certain of that and I'm definitely not certain of it because of some comparison to an injury that left Pogacar in a shape in which he absolutely could have won the Tour. Some people wrote off Contador before the 2014 Vuelta, I'll not make that mistake with Vingegaard a decade later.
The goal is to be 2 kg lighterIt was obvious from his performances that the giro was not the biggest goal of the year. Get back to oropa, everyone expected him to beat pantanis time but was nowhere near that putting just 26 secs on his rivals. But as his manager said he built his form throughout the race and was on top shape in the 3rd week. And If pog is 1kg lighter at the tour then good luck to the "big" 3.
I don’t agree that he’s taking it easy. Every mountain stage he took time, he went deep. He’s much better than the competition but that doesn’t mean you can freewheel to victory.Before the year, at the start of the season, and during the Giro he has said the Tour is the main goal. This can be shown by how easy he’s taken the race. His level will be higher, it’s just a question on his ability to sustain it.
Boss said 65 for giro and 64 for tourThe goal is to be 2 kg lighter
We shall find out soon.I don’t agree that he’s taking it easy. Every mountain stage he took time, he went deep. He’s much better than the competition but that doesn’t mean you can freewheel to victory.
Just like Vingegaard goes deep to win his GT’s and 1-week stage races.
Source? I remember someone saying he was supposed to have 63 kg in the Tour.Boss said 65 for giro and 64 for tour
I agree on Pogacar in 2023, I think the combination of minor illness/stomach issue and the crash explain his collapse much better than "not enough training" when he missed some training in the exact period where he'd take it the easiest.So obviously Vingegaards preparation for the Tour would be far from ideal, even if he can start. But what I fail to understand is this obsession of comparing his recovery to that of Pogacar last year and using the fact Pogacar got beaten as proof that even Poacars preparation last year wasn't enough to win. But that argument just takes it for granted that Pogacar could have been much better without the wrist injury which we have no proof of whatsoever. All things considered I think it's fair to say that he looked better last year than in 2022, so why should I think the injury made a big difference? Maybe a small one, maybe him cracking on Col de la Loze had something to do with bad preparation, but that's pure speculation.
My guess is, Vingegaard will not be good enough to win the Tour, but I'm not certain of that and I'm definitely not certain of it because of some comparison to an injury that left Pogacar in a shape in which he absolutely could have won the Tour. Some people wrote off Contador before the 2014 Vuelta, I'll not make that mistake with Vingegaard a decade later.
But he didn't take time on every mountain stage. On Prati di Tivo he rode in with the GC group and out-sprinted them. In the Sterrato stage he held fire. He looks fresh as a daisy, not someone tired from going deep every day for three weeks.I don’t agree that he’s taking it easy. Every mountain stage he took time, he went deep. He’s much better than the competition but that doesn’t mean you can freewheel to victory.
Just like Vingegaard goes deep to win his GT’s and 1-week stage races.
I think it was 62 for tour 63 giro something like thatBoss said 65 for giro and 64 for tour