Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[ppanther92]

something happened. there was too much difference between the attack phase, the increase in the advantage on the descent and arriving dead at the finish line without even having the strength to sprint. Ofc cannot be the Giro fatigue 😂

But tbh - I am a bit fed up with excuses.

2022 - it was supposedly having to cover Roglic (that was *** in my book)
2023 - it was supposedly his wrist (there is for sure some merit to that, but the gap was so huge, he would have lost anyway)
2024 - it is supposedly his nutrition (if it really is, don't complain after you took a blow, fix it - thats the team with the largest budget ffs...)

And don't get me wrong - I root for Pogacar. And he is also not the one searching for any excuses. But people like to make them for him.

While reality is probably that there is a stronger GT rider than him in the peloton.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He lost way more than a stage win today

This is an assumption. What I spoke are facts (but I agree with you).

 

[ppanther92]

Also wonder what mou would say now, after attacking everyone that said Pogacar does exactly what he did the years before already.

 

[tobydawq]

But tbh - I am a bit fed up with excuses.

2022 - it was supposedly having to cover Roglic (that was *** in my book)
2023 - it was supposedly his wrist (there is for sure some merit to that, but the gap was so huge, he would have lost anyway)
2024 - it is supposedly his nutrition (if it really is, don't complain after you took a blow, fix it - thats the team with the largest budget ffs...)

And don't get me wrong - I root for Pogacar. And he is also not the one searching for any excuses. But people like to make them for him.

While reality is probably that there is a stronger GT rider than him in the peloton.

So it's normal for him to lose a sprint to Vingegaard? Okay.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar is eating on the podium. He bonked pretty hard due to lack of sugars

 

[ppanther92]

So it's normal for him to lose a sprint to Vingegaard? Okay.

Of course not, but he either rode himself in the red or the team *** up nutrition. But both is a very avoidable mistake.

 

[Miha81]

I wonder if he chose to ride the Giro because he was sure Vingegaard would not be able to recover from his crash in time to compete for the Tour

I think they are both on fairly equal endurance levels, they just have different strategies for when to conserve energy

Come on. He had announced Giro Tour double way before opponent's crash.

 

[tobydawq]

Of course not, but he either rode himself in the red or the team *** up nutrition. But both is a very avoidable mistake.

Even if he rode himself into the red, he should have been able to recover for the sprint and win that.

It was definitely a lack of carbs.

 

[Rou]

During the climb Pog wanted something from the moto (I presume a gel). After the stage he is seen munching food even on the podium. The way he stalled on the climb it appears to be a fueling issue. I would not be worried if that's the case but still an amateur mistake by Pog.

 

[Jack_89]

But tbh - I am a bit fed up with excuses.

2022 - it was supposedly having to cover Roglic (that was *** in my book)
2023 - it was supposedly his wrist (there is for sure some merit to that, but the gap was so huge, he would have lost anyway)
2024 - it is supposedly his nutrition (if it really is, don't complain after you took a blow, fix it - thats the team with the largest budget ffs...)

And don't get me wrong - I root for Pogacar. And he is also not the one searching for any excuses. But people like to make them for him.

While reality is probably that there is a stronger GT rider than him in the peloton.

That Jonas was a stronger GT rider for me personally is clear from the Ventoux stage of the 2021 Tour. I have nothing to say about excuses, I base it on what I saw today with my own eyes: Jonas was already struggling to keep up with Yates using his shoulders a lot, so much so that he didn't offer any resistance to Pogacar's shot (unlike Galibier). Then after having increased the advantage even in the technical downhill, terrain where I believe Jonas and Roglic are stronger, Pogacar suddenly finds himself without legs, suddenly. I find it strange because in that state he was definitely the weakest of the Big 4...while 10km before he was from another planet

 

[Jeppeb]

Just cut the excuses, Vinge is getting stronger by the day and Pogacar will be completely decimated on Isola when we are back in Vinge territory, this stage had Pogacar written all over it, yet he was beaten.

 

[Miha81]

During the climb Pog wanted something from the moto (I presume a gel). After the stage he is seen munching food even on the podium. The way he stalled on the climb it appears to be a fueling issue. I would not be worried if that's the case but still an amateur mistake by Pog.

If this is the case it is not the first time. He looked comfortable until that moment when he started calling team car.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Just cut the excuses, Vinge is getting stronger by the day and Pogacar will be completely decimated on Isola when we are back in Vinge territory, this stage had Pogacar written all over it, yet he was beaten.

Another danish poster spotted, unfortunately July really get them going

 

[Red Lobster]

Even if he rode himself into the red, he should have been able to recover for the sprint and win that.

It was definitely a lack of carbs.

You may be right but it boggles the mind to think he could get it so wrong - in this day and age proper fueling is not some mysterious thing.

 

[Miha81]

Another danish poster spotted, unfortunately July really get them going

Ignore them. They grow like grass in July.

 

[Jeppeb]

Ignore them. They grow like grass in July.

You may ignore us, doesnt change who will finish at the top of the podium.

 

[fenns]

pog is no match for JV in sustained climbs - 1 minute is not enough of a lead

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Ignore them. They grow like grass in July.

Fanboys of all kind usually peak for this race, to be fair.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I fear one thing, if he doesn't win this Tour, he will probably never win it again. At least UAE is all about Pogacar now.

 

[inri2000]

Come on. He had announced Giro Tour double way before opponent's crash.

Thanks, I should have framed it as more of a question. The only source I found was a confirmation that he would ride from April 30

 

[ice&fire]

I mean that's also just being completely fried.

Like if you're actually completely carbohydrate depleted you don't actually ride for another 20 minutes relaying with Vingegaard

Perhaps he'd be ashamed of being called wheelsucker after all the ballsy talk

 

[ppanther92]

Fanboys of all kind usually peak for this race, to be fair.

Yes, but its a bit annoying though if they come here to just *** talk.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I fear one thing, if he doesn't win this Tour, he will probably never win it again. At least UAE is all about Pogacar now.

Unless he goes down the Ullrich route, he will probably still be able to fight for the win for a few years more. He's so strong (at the moment at least) that a win is never really off the table.

 

[Jeppeb]

Yes, but its a bit annoying though if they come here to just *** talk.

It's just kind of funny you have the need to come up with excuses on behalf of Poga and diminish the work of Vinge. He was beaten today, why cant you guys not applaud Vinge for his impressive efforts that lead to victory in Pogas territory.

 

[Screecher]

It's just kind of funny you have the need to come up with excuses on behalf of Poga and diminish the work of Vinge. He was beaten today, why cant you guys not applaud Vinge for his impressive efforts that lead to victory in Pogas territory.

He beat a completely cooked Pogacar by half a wheel. It's not that it's not impressive, but it's Pogacar's fault that he misjudged his effort and that's what people are focusing on.