Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

All eggs in a single basket is never the best tactic to win gold

Roglic can't sustain his power after 220 km

 

[Berniece]

Roglic can't sustain his power after 220 km

He won Liege, it was 257km

 

[Peyroteo94]

He won Liege, it was 257km

That was 4 years ago and during a strange season (Covid 19). You are just begging to not see Pogacar winning, aren't you? You are trying to find every explanation to not see Slovenia full working for Tadej. It is Mohoric, Roglic. Relax man, Remco has a chance and if he wants to be respected as one of the best, he needs to beat Pogacar sometimes. You should believe more in Remco

 

[pihi42]

Believe it or not, WC (either TT or RR) is one of the only things remaining for Slovenia to win in cycling. Oh, and the Olympic RR gold (depending on Urška and her boyfriend). And Paris-Roubaix.

Best results for Slovenia in WC are silver in ITT(Roglič 2017) and bronze in RR (2001 Hauptman, 2023 Pogi).

January 2016, Slovenia had 0 GT's, 0 Monuments, 0 Classics, 0 gold medals (OG or WC), even 0 Tour stages. We had a Dauphine win (2010 Brajkovič), a Giro stage (2014 Mezgec) and Swiss tour (Špilak 2015).

Later that fabulous year 2016, Giro happened and - bam - Rogla won an ITT stage. And then a Tour stage next year, no less than the Galibier with that downhill chase by Froome and co.
It all went uphill from there. Other guys started winning as well.

We now have 3xTour, 4xVuelta, 2xGiro, 3xLombardia, 3xLBL, 1xFlanders, 1xMSR (Mohorič), Olympic gold (ITT Roglič), all UCI week races (multiple times) and so on.

So I'm hoping the guys can work together, since that kind of opportunity might not happen again in the next 100 years. I hope this mega superstar power will not annihilate itself.

Then again, Pogi can probably win a WC in his career even without team support.

 

[Berniece]

That was 4 years ago and during a strange season (Covid 19). You are just begging to not see Pogacar winning, aren't you? You are trying to find every explanation to not see Slovenia full working for Tadej. It is Mohoric, Roglic. Relax man, Remco has a chance and if he wants to be respected as one of the best, he needs to beat Pogacar sometimes. You should believe more in Remco

I’m not begging to see Pogacar lose. First and foremost I want Evenepoel to win, I don’t care how. If he can’t win, may the best man win.

Just because I don’t expect Slovenia to put all their eggs in a single basket, doesn’t make me want Pogacar to lose. Do you know which country also doesn’t put all their eggs in 1 basket? Belgium. Van Gils will get a free role.

But I get it, this is the Pogacar topic and anything goes here. I’ll create a topic for the WC tomorrow to discuss actual possible scenarios there.

 

[stekelegel]

By real logic that would place Russell in the Merckx camp since Armstrong never won any pro race without cheating. None, Nada.

No reference to cheating and who would have won what if everybody played it fair.
And everybody knows sir Eddy was cheated in Italy, he cried real tears for sake;
Eddy was a statistic anomaly and Teddy will probably be one to. Both of them more then Jordan and James wil ever be. Rather put them in the Bradman, Taylor, Nicklaus category.
If Teddy keeps it up. Look how deep the tiger has sunk. Is he still a GOAT? For sure not the GOAT in golf?

 

[Savant12]

Remco could still win but he has to mark and follow either Roglic or Pog. Both of them could drop him on the steep slopes and then the descent if Remco manages to hold onto their wheel. If Remco attacks first, he'll be followed and allowed to do most of the work. Although, Pog might be Pog and share the work.

If all riders are on top form, Remco comes off third best.

 

[topt]

Remco could still win but he has to mark and follow either Roglic or Pog. Both of them could drop him on the steep slopes and then the descent if Remco manages to hold onto their wheel. If Remco attacks first, he'll be followed and allowed to do most of the work. Although, Pog might be Pog and share the work.

If all riders are on top form, Remco comes off third best.

Rogla will not be a factor in this race, 270km way to much for him, he will target TT

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Every time Roglic was in a race where a teammate had a higher chance of winning he has worked for that teammate.

Sepp Kuss reading this:

 

[Gargamel35]

TT race is before RR. Roglič will go all in for TT and probably finish around 5th place. He'll go to RR tired and in a semi free role. He won't work for Pog like a domestique because he'll keep some powder dry if race comes his way (he earned that) and he'll fade towards the end of it anyway.

Maybe they will use him as a decoy attack to tire out the competition before final mega watt bomb by Pog. Team can't wait for the sprint. They need to go crazy much before that and release Pog in long range attack.

 

[Oldermanish]

No reference to cheating and who would have won what if everybody played it fair.
And everybody knows sir Eddy was cheated in Italy, he cried real tears for sake;
Eddy was a statistic anomaly and Teddy will probably be one to. Both of them more then Jordan and James wil ever be. Rather put them in the Bradman, Taylor, Nicklaus category.
If Teddy keeps it up. Look how deep the tiger has sunk. Is he still a GOAT? For sure not the GOAT in golf?

Yes, of course that someone cheating couldn't be relevant in evaluating the greatest of their sport. Don't know what world it's not relevevant but you can construct that comparison as you go along, I guess.

Golf isn't a sport; it's an activity like pool, darts or bowling. Rhythmic gymnastics is more sport...

 

[Oldermanish]

TT race is before RR. Roglič will go all in for TT and probably finish around 5th place. He'll go to RR tired and in a semi free role. He won't work for Pog like a domestique because he'll keep some powder dry if race comes his way (he earned that) and he'll fade towards the end of it anyway.

Maybe they will use him as a decoy attack to tire out the competition before final mega watt bomb by Pog. Team can't wait for the sprint. They need to go crazy much before that and release Pog in long range attack.

A TT can be a great wakeup for the RR. I doubt it would tire him to any extent.
You can't overestimate the difference of a national team absent of paid, pro leadout trains and domestiques although most UAE guys should still consider who pays them. It'll take the good Slovenians to work out how test the competition but it will get down to either Primoz or Tadej to make a move at the right time and would be great if they are both in it.

 

[Oldermanish]

Roglic has too much reputation to just work for Pogacar and I understand that, however the best chance for a gold is clearly to put all eggs in one basket and that basket is Pogacar. Pogacar is by far the biggest favourite to win in Zurich.

The best chance is almost discovered in retrospect.

 

[Salvarani]

Babysat him in the end didn't he.

He also left the team right after that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Sepp Kuss reading this:

On Angliru Rogla was setting a high pace to protect his leader from attacks by his rivals (Vingo in particular). Due to fog and radio malfunction Rogla didn't realize what had happened. He heard heavy breath of his leader but at the finish it turned out it wasn't his beloved Sepp but evil Skeletor. Pretty traumatic for the Slovenian.

 

[stekelegel]

Yes, of course that someone cheating couldn't be relevant in evaluating the greatest of their sport. Don't know what world it's not relevevant but you can construct that comparison as you go along, I guess.

Golf isn't a sport; it's an activity like pool, darts or bowling. Rhythmic gymnastics is more sport...

So Maradona can never be a GOAT because of his handball? Or Messi because of his numerous dives?
If Pog ever gets his 0.00000001 moment because of he a bad steak, he is put in the bin and never talked about?
Armstrong was a cheat at a moment when everybody else was cheating in rather the same way.
I can totally agree that people consider him a cheat and count him out.
I don't;

 

[Peyroteo94]

So Maradona can never be a GOAT because of his handball? Or Messi because of his numerous dives?
If Pog ever gets his 0.00000001 moment because of he a bad steak, he is put in the bin and never talked about?
Armstrong was a cheat at a moment when everybody else was cheating in rather the same way.
I can totally agree that people consider him a cheat and count him out.
I don't;

My opinion is similar. Do people know why LA was stripped from his 7 Tour's titles but still no one won those Tours? I will not say more because this is stuff to be talked in the clinic.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sepp Kuss reading this:

True story

 

[Savant12]

Rogla will not be a factor in this race, 270km way to much for him, he will target TT

Roglic has never done well in a long race before? Pretty sure he has. If he targets the ITT, he still has a week to recover.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Roglic has never done well in a long race before? Pretty sure he has. If he targets the ITT, he still has a week to recover.

He did really well in Liege once (and he was lucky in that sprint). Of course he has some pedigree in monuments/WC but it is obvious he can't sustain his insane power for 250 km. He is was more vulnerable when classics exceed the 220 km mark.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/pogacar-was-very-strong-but-maybe-not-unbeatable-maxim-van-gils-sees-hope-for-other-riders-with-view-to-the-world-championships&ved=2ahUKEwiPyfzu4cmIAxVCRaQEHcJMGfc4ChDF9AEoAHoECAUQAg&usg=AOvVaw16Lr3Ky7_aZlbXiMWGwvXj

 

[scribers]

My opinion is similar. Do people know why LA was stripped from his 7 Tour's titles but still no one won those Tours? I will not say more because this is stuff to be talked in the clinic.

You notice how cool pogi is about matching or beating 5 tour victories. Because it’s been done. 7 times. Even if they are removed. It’s something someone has already done

 

[Peyroteo94]

You notice how cool pogi is about matching or beating 5 tour victories. Because it’s been done. 7 times. Even if they are removed. It’s something someone has already done

7 Tour wins are very far. Let him win 2 more first

 

[rokovski]

Rog will pull for last attack but nobody will follow them, Pog and Rog for sprint finish 😅

 

[Peyroteo94]

Rog will pull for last attack but nobody will follow them, Pog and Rog for sprint finish 😅

Rog will be dead after 220 km