Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Red Rick]

No PR just shows you he only wants easy targets and wants to farm a bunch of farmers all season.

Like imagine saying the GT treble is possible but then avoiding the Tour-Vuelta combo every single year.

 

[YavorD]

I’m laying this out here right now. If pogi solves msr at the start of classics season, he’ll add P-R to his schedule straight away same season

Sounds logical, yeah.
Worst case scenario he'll see where he sits compared to the Vans and how much does he need to change.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No PR just shows you he only wants easy targets and wants to farm a bunch of farmers all season.

Like imagine saying the GT treble is possible but then avoiding the Tour-Vuelta combo every single year.

Pure comedy this post. Really? Why is he riding MSR and RVV if he only targets easy races?
And do you really think winning Tour-Vuelta combo is hard to win for Pogacar? Are you a different guy since May? Because you spent all Giro saying Pogacar would be even better in the Tour, and his only concern should be if he ended somewhat detraining in the Giro

 

[AmRacer]

Pure comedy this post. Really? Why is he riding MSR and RVV if he only targets easy races?
And do you really think winning Tour-Vuelta combo is hard to win for Pogacar? Are you a different guy since May? Because you spent all Giro saying Pogacar would be even better in the Tour, and his only concern should be if he ended somewhat detraining in the Giro

Hard, difficult and fatigue...

 

[scribers]

No PR just shows you he only wants easy targets and wants to farm a bunch of farmers all season.

Like imagine saying the GT treble is possible but then avoiding the Tour-Vuelta combo every single year.

The dude is a bum!

 

[Red Rick]

The dude is a bum!

Obviously isn't.

But the schedule is pretty unimaginative.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Obviously isn't.

But the schedule is pretty unimaginative.

Yeah, I would like to see him doing Volta a Portugal.

 

[Shortcut]

From our friend in the hinterlands of the twittersphere.

“
Info I have tells me that Pog will have two one-week races this year
(UAE and Dauphine)

SanRemo, E3, Flanders, LBL, Rwanda, Varesine, Emilia, Lombardy are safe one-day races

one grand tour- Tour the France

Amstel, Flache and Strade are under a big question mark right now”

There is no way, he is doing "just that". He said for Slovenian media, he is doing 2 GT next year. If he really rides just TDF then he is doing Basque or P-R and there is no way he is skipping both.

 

[hayneplane]

There is no way, he is doing "just that". He said for Slovenian media, he is doing 2 GT next year. If he really rides just TDF then he is doing Basque or P-R and there is no way he is skipping both.

I reckon that privately the door remains wide open for P-R but they won’t pull the trigger on that plan unless he wins MSR and Flanders beforehand.

Absolutely zero chance he skips a monument when on a winning streak like that.

 

[scribers]

There is no way, he is doing "just that". He said for Slovenian media, he is doing 2 GT next year. If he really rides just TDF then he is doing Basque or P-R and there is no way he is skipping both.

Being as per our friend @mou, has said there are some holes that need filling, you are correct.. he is not just doing that.

I realize quite a few posts have passed, but didn't some here go over with you the idea Pogi cannot race Flanders and then Basque the next day?

 

[scribers]

Obviously isn't.

But the schedule is pretty unimaginative.

I also sense @mou is as dispassionate as you are.

Frankly, the UAE tour stinks but the pay masters require a toll for their part of the bargain. This will knife two weeks out of a cyclist's schedule. The other consideration is Pogi probably targets the ITT portion of Worlds and this might be his best pathway to gold in the discipline. The Vuelta will have to wait.

 

[Shortcut]

Being as per our friend @mou, has said there are some holes that need filling, you are correct.. he is not just doing that.

I realize quite a few posts have passed, but didn't some here go over with you the idea Pogi cannot race Flanders and then Basque the next day?

Yes. The guy replied to me (he was right) saying Flanders and Basque is almost impossible to ride in the same year because is just one day between those races ( and i thought 2). But , am i sure he will go after Basque pretty soon just maybe not next year. I think he will also observe MVDP form. If MvDP is not in best shape, then he will ride E3, Flanders and P-R. I can't wait to see his schedule and i really hope he doesn't go to vuelta, since winning WC TT and RR (and 5th Lombardie)is worth more than Vuelta. Yes he can win it all, but why risk such a amazing oportunity.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No PR just shows you he only wants easy targets and wants to farm a bunch of farmers all season.

Like imagine saying the GT treble is possible but then avoiding the Tour-Vuelta combo every single year.

Yeah, it seems all riders are farmers (maybe except MVP in PR - until Teddy wins it OFC).

 

[SHAD0W93]

Who’s going to tell em.

View: https://youtu.be/9f3pLm88L1E?si=6y6FT0TTOjBA0wH2

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes. The guy replied to me (he was right) saying Flanders and Basque is almost impossible to ride in the same year because is just one day between those races ( and i thought 2). But , am i sure he will go after Basque pretty soon just maybe not next year. I think he will also observe MVDP form. If MvDP is not in best shape, then he will ride E3, Flanders and P-R. I can't wait to see his schedule and i really hope he doesn't go to vuelta, since winning WC TT and RR (and 5th Lombardie)is worth more than Vuelta. Yes he can win it all, but why risk such a amazing oportunity.

He can be the third rider to win Giro-Tour and Tour-Vuelta. More legendary than another WC

 

[Shortcut]

He can be the third rider to win Giro-Tour and Tour-Vuelta. More legendary than another WC

maybe more legendary but not smartest (my opinion) thing to try next year. Rwanda RR and ITT profile is just perfect for him and he will probably never have such a chance (winning double would be also crazy).. Also Lombardie 5th time straight would be legendary. He could do Tour-Vuelta every year after.

 

[Peyroteo94]

maybe more legendary but not smartest (my opinion) thing to try next year. Rwanda RR and ITT profile is just perfect for him and he will probably never have such a chance (winning double would be also crazy).. Also Lombardie 5th time straight would be legendary. He could do Tour-Vuelta every year after.

WC double is not a crazy thing to do. Tour-Vuelta is way more difficult

 

[Shortcut]

WC double is not a crazy thing to do. Tour-Vuelta is way more difficult

It's not crazy? How many riders did it in same year? I agree with you Tour-Vuelta being more difficult but i am talking about not doing it next year. After that, he should go for it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's not crazy? How many riders did it in same year? I agree with you Tour-Vuelta being more difficult but i am talking about not doing it next year. After that, he should go for it.

WC TT only exists since 1994. Merckx would have plenty of WC doubles in his era if there were WC TTs. Hinault would win too. I can't understand who just see the result and not the context

 

[YavorD]

WC double is not a crazy thing to do. Tour-Vuelta is way more difficult

Really? Carlos Sastre (no disrespect) was able to finish 1st and 3rd. Froome has 1st and 2nd and 1st and 1st. Vingegaard has 1st and 2nd (and we know he could've won even without special preparatio. Heck, even Roglic has 2nd and 3rd And these are pretty much all the attempts in the last 30 years.

Doesn't seem "way more difficult".

 

[Shortcut]

WC TT only exists since 1994. Merckx would have plenty of WC doubles in his era if there were WC TTs. Hinault would win too. I can't understand who just see the result and not the context

That is 30 years !!! So how many years do you wanna wait for becoming it relevant? Because strade didn't exist back then and olimpics was just for amateur those palmares shouldn't count for future??? I don't get what is so hard to understand. I hope he doesn't ride Vuelta next year(!!!) and he concentrate on WC RR and TT and winning 5th straight Lombardie.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Really? Carlos Sastre (no disrespect) was able to finish 1st and 3rd. Froome has 1st and 2nd and 1st and 1st. Vingegaard has 1st and 2nd (and we know he could've won even without special preparatio. Heck, even Roglic has 2nd and 3rd And these are pretty much all the attempts in the last 30 years.

Doesn't seem "way more difficult".

Froome is a top10 GT rider of all times. Of course Giro-Tour is harder but Tour-Vuelta is still more difficult and prestigious than WC double

 

[YavorD]

Froome is a top10 GT rider of all times. Of course Giro-Tour is harder but Tour-Vuelta is still more difficult and prestigious than WC double

Pretty much every attempt for a Tour-Vuelta double has finished with 2 podiums (slightly better circumstances and we'd have like 3 doubles out of 5 attempts).
Since mid 90s (when the Vuelta was moved in September and world TT championships was first held) we have more Tour-Vuelta doubles than WC doubles. I don't see what your point hat Tour-Vuelta is harder is based on?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pretty much every attempt for a Tour-Vuelta double has finished with 2 podiums (slightly better circumstances and we'd have like 3 doubles out of 5 attempts).
Since mid 90s (when the Vuelta was moved in September and world TT championships was first held) we have more Tour-Vuelta doubles than WC doubles. I don't see what your point hat Tour-Vuelta is harder is based on?

6 weeks of consistency. Put a route tailormade for Cancellara (like 2020 WC) in his prime and he would win a WC double. Other thing very important, 10 years ago, time gap between the TT and the road race was 4 days

 

[YavorD]

6 weeks of consistency. Put a route tailormade for Cancellara (like 2020 WC) in his prime and he would win a WC double. Other thing very important, 10 years ago, time gap between the TT and the road race was 4 days

Let Vingegaard race Kuss and you'd have 2 doubles. Prevent an ambush on a silly medium mountain stage and you have 3 doubles out of how much? 4 attempts? With the other 1 being 1st and 3rd by Carlos Sastre...
Based on pure results WC double doesn't seem easier than Tour-Vuelta.