Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Let Vingegaard race Kuss and you'd have 2 doubles. Prevent an ambush on a silly medium mountain stage and you have 3 doubles out of how much? 4 attempts? With the other 1 being 1st and 3rd by Carlos Sastre...
Based on pure results WC double doesn't seem easier than Tour-Vuelta.

We agree to disagree. Tour+Vuelta>>>> Tour+WC double.

 

[scribers]

Let Vingegaard race Kuss and you'd have 2 doubles. Prevent an ambush on a silly medium mountain stage and you have 3 doubles out of how much? 4 attempts? With the other 1 being 1st and 3rd by Carlos Sastre...
Based on pure results WC double doesn't seem easier than Tour-Vuelta.

Vingo could have taken the lead from Kuss in the ITT but he couldn’t. The rest was hysteria as they say

 

[bNator]

Who’s going to tell em.

View: https://youtu.be/9f3pLm88L1E?si=6y6FT0TTOjBA0wH2

Do these guys seriously expect anyone is going to spend 1 hour and 11 minutes to find out? What a cliffhanger 🤣

 

[SHAD0W93]

Do these guys seriously expect anyone is going to spend 1 hour and 11 minutes to find out? What a cliffhanger 🤣

Just read the comments trolling them about the length of the video lol.

 

[YavorD]

We agree to disagree. Tour+Vuelta>>>> Tour+WC double.

That's even harder I don't see on what planet winning 3 types of races (a GT, an ITT and a hard one day race) is easier than winning 1 type - 2 GT's?

Can you point me a single rider capable of doing that triple in the last 30 years? As far as the GT's doubles go, every dominant GT rider could do Tour-Vuelta. So if you ignore actual facts (as number of riders done a certain achievement) what logic you base your point on?

 

[Peyroteo94]

That's even harder I don't see on what planet winning 3 types of races (a GT, an ITT and a hard one day race) is easier than winning 1 type - 2 GT's?

Can you point me a single rider capable of doing that triple in the last 30 years? As far as the GT's doubles go, every dominant GT rider could do Tour-Vuelta. So if you ignore actual facts (as number of riders done a certain achievement) what logic you base your point on?

You're right, Tour-Vuelta is not too hard but I find it harder than WC double. Giro-Tour is another thing. And for a rider like Pogacar Tour-Vuelta should be more important because he is missing Vuelta in his palmares and he can still be competitive in WC RR after Tour-Vuelta. I don't rate WC TT very high. No one will ever say Tony Martin was one of the best riders of his generation just because he was the best time triallist. I don't have any doubt Merckx would win WC double, Hinault too.

 

[scribers]

Indurain

 

[Salvarani]

I would say it is pretty hard to both win the Tour-Vuelta double or the Tour-WC double. Those type of riders dont really grow on trees.

 

[YavorD]

You're right, Tour-Vuelta is not too hard but I find it harder than WC double. Giro-Tour is another thing. And for a rider like Pogacar Tour-Vuelta should be more important because he is missing Vuelta in his palmares and he can still be competitive in WC RR after Tour-Vuelta. I don't rate WC TT very high. No one will ever say Tony Martin was one of the best riders of his generation just because he was the best time triallist. I don't have any doubt Merckx would win WC double, Hinault too.

At first I was thinking like you - Vuelta win is more important. However, while I agree that a Vuelta win will do more to his palmares than a WC ITT, TdF + WC double is something you're unlikely to see in the next 30(?) years.
As hard as TdF+Vuelta double is, Indurain, Contador, Froome and Vingegaard (I mean..even Roglic was 1 minute away from doing it) were capable of doing it and then you can add every cycling great from the past. I have no doubts that the next dominant GT rider (being Pablo Torres, Jarno Widar, Jørgen Nordhagen or some name we haven't heard yet) will be able to do it as well.

TdF + WC double (+Lombardia) is a feat only the true GOATs (as you put Merckx and Hinault) can achieve.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Indurain

He was closer but he was not a good one day racer (compared to his level in GTs)

 

[Peyroteo94]

At first I was thinking like you - Vuelta win is more important. However, while I agree that a Vuelta win will do more to his palmares than a WC ITT, TdF + WC double is something you're unlikely to see in the next 30(?) years.
As hard as TdF+Vuelta double is, Indurain, Contador, Froome and Vingegaard (I mean..even Roglic was 1 minute away from doing it) were capable of doing it and then you can add every cycling great from the past. I have no doubts that the next dominant GT rider (being Pablo Torres, Jarno Widar, Jørgen Nordhagen or some name we haven't heard yet) will be able to do it as well.

TdF + WC double (+Lombardia) is a feat only the true GOATs (as you put Merckx and Hinault) can achieve.

Lemond could do it too. In the specialization era, no one and here you are right. So it's difficult too to win Tour+double WC

 

[YavorD]

Lemond could do it too. In the specialization era, no one and here you are right. So it's difficult too to win Tour+double WC

Fair point on Fignon but I have no doubts he could do Tour-Vuelta as well.

 

[scribers]

He was closer but he was not a good one day racer (compared to his level in GTs)

The question was who could win the tour AND wc rr + itt in the last 30 years. It was indeed indurain. He came very close to it.

Armstrong too but he didn’t emphasize it on his schedule. Bruyneel rules of the tour and nothing else thwarted any serious effort

 

[scribers]

Ullrich had the qualities too. I’d have to look at his race results

 

[Peyroteo94]

The question was who could win the tour AND wc rr + itt in the last 30 years. It was indeed indurain. He came very close to it.

Armstrong too but he didn’t emphasize it on his schedule. Bruyneel rules of the tour and nothing else thwarted any serious effort

Yes, only Indurain was close to do it.

 

[scribers]

Wiggins and Gerant might have been able to do the tour + wc rr/itt

 

[Peyroteo94]

Wiggins and Gerant might have been able to do the tour + wc rr/itt

RR? Never mind

 

[ruamruam]

Wiggins and Gerant might have been able to do the tour + wc rr/itt

Can you name one big one day race either of them won?

 

[scribers]

Can you name one big one day race either of them won?

Geraint in particular rides a lot of one day races. Winning E3 and coming close in other.

Again, what riders in the past 30 years won or had the skill set to win the tdf AND wc rr + itt

 

[James M]

I wonder what Pogi boy end up deciding to race next year..His schedule apart from MSR he gonne be fav for every single race unless he crash, and if he is close to 24 level well weve seen its not close even but I suspect he will just get better.

3 Year rules applies to Pogacar just as it does other atheletes with new trainer/methods. Imagine Pogacar 2026 if that is the case here too

 

[Peyroteo94]

After seeing TdF route, it will all come down to whether or not is Vingegaard able to drop Pogacar on Loze. If not, easy win for Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Can you name one big one day race either of them won?

Only E3 Harelbeke, but that's not a big race, just a good one

 

[Peyroteo94]

Stage 18 will be hard for him. I hope he gets his revenge there since he lost the 2022 and 2023 Tours on Glandon and Loze respectively

 

[YavorD]

Stage 18 will be hard for him. I hope he gets his revenge there since he lost the 2022 and 2023 Tours on Glandon and Loze respectively

TdF 2022 was Granon, not Glandon.
But he can take his revenge for 2022 on Hautacam.

 

[snipeheem]

Stage 18 will be hard for him. I hope he gets his revenge there since he lost the 2022 and 2023 Tours on Glandon and Loze respectively

Not this version of Pog. He is going to crush 2025, many records will fall in this TDF