He seems to be hanging around in the jungle
Nothing to see here. Just a 3-time TdF winner wearing a strange hat while doing a TT position.
Normal stuff.
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Nothing to see here. Just a 3-time TdF winner wearing a strange hat while doing a TT position.
Normal stuff.
No, no he wasn't. The numbers don't tell the reality that he would only be able to hold Pogacar's wheel when Tadej wasn't interested in dropping him. He was 1 1/2 weeks short of the overall form to finish that Tour on his terms.
Jonas numbers was his best ever. We don't know what numbers he could've made without the crash.
Sans Pog, everyone would be talking about how Vingo recovered to be at his top form at the 2024 Tour, especially after smashing Pantani's record on PdB. The operative assumption here seems to be that Pog could not have improved so much relative to Vingo in one year and at least part of that differential must be attributed to Vingo's crash. My sense is that it's part both: Vingo would have likely been stronger in the latter stages absent the crash, but Pog also took a monumental leap from 23-24. Vingo was, per his own admission, doing his best numbers. Pog was just stronger.
I think Pog would have won even if Vingo had not crashed, but honestly, I hope we never see this scenario again. I want them both (and Remco/Roglic) at peak strength.
I think Pog would have won even if Vingo had not crashed, but honestly, I hope we never see this scenario again. I want them both (and Remco/Roglic) at peak strength.
Hope for a nice and smooth preparation to all gc riders and classics riders. We don't want to see Pogacar racing SB without Wout and MVP, MVP racing with no competition in RVV and PR; Pogacar without Remco in LBL. And more important Pogacar vs Vingegaard without crashes, Giros, etc
this. I really do hope in July we have the absolutely perfect storm and race conditions and form to see the Basque fans having their Ikurrinas set on fire by the speed those two sputniks will travel uphill on Hautacam. they both must come with super fit teams too. the pave from the bottom of the climbs must be infernal.
Would level it up a bit if there was a fierce Jonas vs Tadej battle at the Giro that brings Roglic and Evenepoel into greater contention at the Tour.
Jonas doesn't even know which color is Giro's leader's jersey. Jonas and Visma want the Tour
Sorry but no. Gap is massive as we saw in the Tour. Pogacar rode the Giro and still was miles ahead Roglic and Remco, only God knows how much bigger the gap would be without Giro in his legs.
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That’s only due to stage design and luck where the beatdown occurred. Both before the beatdown they received on stage 16 and 15 respectively thought they would win the overall. Pogacar then had a hard mountain stage that he crashed in before the meltdown. If Vingegaard didn’t have a rest day and flat stage to recover mentally that he wasn’t winning the overall but instead had another mountain stage we don’t know if he’d crack or not like Pogacar did.
Difference was way bigger this year than last year even if the time gap was smaller this year. Last year Pogacar really pushed Vingegaard to his limits, at least during 2 weeks. Vingegaard was dropped multiple times, this year Vingegaard only threatned Pogi in stage 11 due to a very likely bad nutrition from Pogacar. In every high mountain stage, Vingegaard was dropped. By any means, this year was a closer fight compared to last year.
So do I. But I think this would just cement Pogacar's superiority. Have we all forgotten the ease with which Pogacar followed Vingegaard's planned attack on Plateau de Beille? This all happened with a Giro in his legs - not next year.
Gap is not so big. Jonas was killing everybody in spring and comparing Jonas's crash vs Giro in Pogi's legs is just not fair. Healthy Tadej (with no stupid racing) is about 30 sek-1min faster than Jonas and about 2,5-3 min faster than healthy Roglic and Remco in race like TdF 2024.Primoz from vuelta 2023 would beat Pogi from Tour 2023 and Jonas from TdF 2024. We have never seen all 4 guys in one race all in top shape and we can't really say what really the gap is. Also if gap between Tadej and Jonas is within one minute i think Primoz and Remco could really benefit from it.
Are you sure about that? Watch stage 15 again. Pogacar was following Vingegaard's attack so easily he could sit up no hands to take a drink. Then when he decided to go Jonas had absolutely no answer. That and everything that followed in the 3rd week was with a Giro in Pogacar's legs which I say cancels Vingegaard's crash. Pogacar will be fresh for the 2025 rematch. The gap is enormous.
I love this numbers fixation...He clearly may have had some of those outputs at selective times but he didn't have the base to finish like he'd had before. He had to rely on Mateo to drag him back to Pogi's wheel on the flats, which doesn't sound like a prospective Tour winner. He was missing something then and hasn't raced since. Optimism alone doesn't tell us where he'll be. We all hope it'll be a return to form but the experiences of Remco, Bernal, Roglic...show that just getting on the bike doesn't replace the needed prep for winning a GT.
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Vingegaard also killed himself more frequently by always going the long way to try and respond to Pogacar’s attacks.
A clear sign of lacking immediate response ability (recovery) and a certain uncertainty about his own form. You don't know what you haven't tested and Visma's rush to please sponsors and their contract incentives showed in a big way. Jonas isn't built to get used like that and perform well. He probably was convinced of his "numbers" prior to the Tour but he was not prepared. That critics of Pogacar cite Jonas' breakthrough wattage metrics to confirm some illicit supplementation by Tadej is pure BS. Unless the teams are willingly handing audited data for consideration it's all speculation by guys timing the climbs on videos. What about every other effort? To your accurate observation; being late to respond is not a good sign.
Yup. But he must prepare for that during his career. He can't match Pogacar’s acceleration so he better build a huge engine to catch Pogacar later. I think the TT in Caen will be very important to Vingegaard and Pogacar. This will determine race dynamics.
Big contract. 50 millions in 6 years and a 200M clause. Dude is staying with UAE until his retirement
IF he wins MSR and RVV I can see him trying Paris-Roubaix as well
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