Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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I think, he will do "climbing" again next season just because of Rwanda. UAE Tour, MSR, Basque, LBL, Giro, Tour, WC ITT+RR, Lombardia. If he "clears" Basque and Giro (again) and he wins at least one gold at WC, his schedule would benefit great from it. After that, he "just" needs do win Romandie, Dauphine, Suisse, San Sebastian and Vuelta as a climber and schedule that shouldn't be so hard. Winning 2 Giro and 2 WC golds could be enough for him not to worry about it any more in future and he can totally concentrate on MSR, E3, Flanders, P-R, Ardenes classics combination every year after that.

This makes sense to me. My question is, do you think the Ardenes classics combination is better than racing the giro? Can a classics rider free of MSR (assuming he can get across the line first), riding one or two of the major classics like E3/Dwars before taking on P-R + Flanders + LBL (without FW and/or AG) can also race the Giro?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was hesitating to lay out monument possibilities, but that prescription is not out of the range of possible, god willing (as they say barring injury/mishap). Glad you pointed out MVP aging out. While there is always someone else who steps up, MVP is a unique talent in classics.

I'm a little bit sceptic about Nys. I think (in the future) he can reach a peak condition able of beating Pogi in LBL. No other young rider gives me vibes of being close to Pogacar in the future.

 

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This makes sense to me. My question is, do you think the Ardenes classics combination is better than racing the giro? Can a classics rider free of MSR (assuming he can get across the line first), riding one or two of the major classics like E3/Dwars before taking on P-R + Flanders + LBL (without FW and/or AG) can also race the Giro?

I think Pogacar is still pretty careful about his wisches, knowing one crash and you are out for good. He said that also few times. Because of that he wants to take everything what he can as soon as possible. When he won Flanders and WC, he was most happy i have ever seen him, because it was something what climbers aren't suposed to do. It was also agains MvDP(2X), Remco and Wout so no easy way. If he manages to complete 5 TdF, 2 Giro's, 1 Vuelta, every one week (big 7) stage race, 12 monuoment wins, 2 WC Golds in next 4 years, than i can see him playing with his schedule and trying things like, MSR, E3, Flanders, P-R, LBL, Giro, WC, Vuelta, Lombardia. But i also question what his teammates would think about that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Pogacar is still pretty careful about his wisches, knowing one crash and you are out for good. He said that also few times. Because of that he wants to take everything what he can as soon as possible. When he won Flanders and WC, he was most happy i have ever seen him, because it was something what climbers aren't suposed to do. It was also agains MvDP(2X), Remco and Wout so no easy way. If he manages to complete 5 TdF, 2 Giro's, 1 Vuelta, every one week (big 7) stage race, 12 monuoment wins, 2 WC Golds in next 4 years, than i can see him playing with his schedule and trying things like, MSR, E3, Flanders, P-R, LBL, Giro, WC, Vuelta, Lombardia. But i also question what his teammates would think about that.

He can grab 4/5 monuments in 3 years while winning 4 GT's. He will be 29 and will still have 5 years left at the top (at least).

 

[proffate]

I'm a little bit sceptic about Nys. I think (in the future) he can reach a peak condition able of beating Pogi in LBL. No other young rider gives me vibes of being close to Pogacar in the future.

well youth is on his side. There's gotta be a 15 year old out there who will one day beat Pog, unless Pog decides to retire in 2 years.

IMO MSR will be the hardest. Pog actually just needs to win like Alaphillipe, sprinting from a select group. Every attack will draw an immediate response, but he probably won't be marked out of a sprint. Winning this is just going to take a lot of luck; might as well roll the dice a bunch of times. Form doesn't need to be perfect each year.

 

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@mou responds about nys

pozz for my colleagues from that crappy forum who are reading this.
Nys will never reach the level to win Pog at LBL. firstly, the guy doesn't know how to position himself where the team is fighting hard before Redoute, and secondly, he doesn't have an engine for 250km

 

[Salvarani]

The classics don't fit in his quest winning the remaining 6 races. When he is ready racing the seventh, PR, he can do cobbled classics aswell.

Bingo.

There is no need to do everything atm. It is unecesssey.

Not doing cobbles, opens up pretty much every other race for him.

Better to do a cobbles program in a couple of years, when he may ticked off most or all of the other races. Prepare for it, rather than trying to fit in now just because of it. I find it unwise as of now, but if he does it I assume they know best and will support.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Bingo.

There is no need to do everything atm. It is unecesssey.

Not doing cobbles, opens up pretty much every other race for him.

Better to do a cobbles program in a couple of years, when he may ticked off most or all of the other races. Prepare for it, rather than trying to fit in now just because of it. I find it unwise as of now, but if he does it I assume they know best and will support.

I think he can race RVV without messing his climbing ability

 

[AmRacer]

I think he can race RVV without messing his climbing ability

It's not about that, but how it not fits in his schedule. RVV will drain his resources and preparation for other races.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's not about that, but how it not fits in his schedule. RVV will drain his resources and preparation for other races.

What races? TdF? If so, I don't agree.

 

[AmRacer]

What races? TdF? If so, I don't agree.

The 7 he hasn't won yet, or at least 6 of them.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The 7 he hasn't won yet, or at least 6 of them.

So he is not racing RVV to win Pais Vasco? Dreadful decision if he makes it.

 

[AmRacer]

So he is not racing RVV to win Pais Vasco? Dreadful decision if he makes it.

Tadej must win Clásica de San Remco too, and RVV is in the way.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tadej must win Clásica de San Remco too, and RVV is in the way.

If he ever chooses not racing RVV in order to win Romandie or Pais Vasco, I will never cheer for him again eheheh. As a cycling fan this is terrible. Only Vingegaard/Pogacar rivalry can surpass Pogacar/MVP rivalry. It is hard to see more exciting race than Pogi vs MVP in RVV (or E3 Harelbeke).

 

[KZD]

I am surprised some want Pogačar to ride Itzulia instead of Flanders. While its a nice race that Pogačar has never won it is simply not at the same level as a monument and he will likely ride Dauphiné or Suisse next year so there is a good chance that he adds another of these one week stage races to his palmares anyway.

Not just that, assuming that Pogačar rides UAE, Strade, MSR, Itzulia, Amstel, Liège and the Dauphiné before the Tour, he will reach the Tour with 25 race days. This is not a problem if he just rides Worlds and Lombardia after, like this year but if he does ride the Vuelta, he would finish the season with around 70 race days, which is clearly above his average and could pay the price for that in the Vuelta or Worlds.

 

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I am surprised some want Pogačar to ride Itzulia instead of Flanders. While its a nice race that Pogačar has never won it is simply not at the same level as a monument and he will likely ride Dauphiné or Suisse next year so there is a good chance that he adds another of these one week stage races to his palmares anyway.

Not just that, assuming that Pogačar rides UAE, Strade, MSR, Itzulia, Amstel, Liège and the Dauphiné before the Tour, he will reach the Tour with 25 race days. This is not a problem if he just rides Worlds and Lombardia after like this year but if he does ride the Vuelta, he would finish the season with around 70 race days, which is clearly above his average and could pay the price for that in the Vuelta or Worlds.

It is not about wanting him ride Itzulia instead of Flanders, it is about what fits better in his schedule. I just don't see him riding combination Tour-Vuelta-WC TT+RR -Lombardia next year. He will ride two GTs next year so i presume that would be giro. With winning itzulia this year, he can clear his shedule for E3-Flanders-P-R for every year after that.

 

[KZD]

It is not about wanting him ride Itzulia instead of Flanders, it is about what fits better in his schedule. I just don't see him riding combination Tour-Vuelta-WC TT+RR -Lombardia next year. He will ride two GTs next year so i presume that would be giro. With winning itzulia this year, he can clear his shedule for E3-Flanders-P-R for every year after that.

If Pogačar rides the Giro then Flanders is obviously off the his schedule but I have not read anything about him planning to ride it in 2025, just the Vuelta, even though I personally like Giro-Tour more than Tour-Vuelta because it would give him time to prepare for both Worlds races and Lombardia.

 

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If Pogačar rides the Giro then Flanders is obviously off the his schedule but I have not read anything about him planning to ride it in 2025, just the Vuelta, even though I personally like Giro-Tour more than Tour-Vuelta because it would give him time to prepare for both Worlds races and Lombardia.

Hauptman, his sport director said Giro is possibility, also Romandie. His Coach said Tadej wants to do Down Under , Vuelta and try P-R and complete all big 7 one week stage races but maybe not next year. Tadej said 1 week ago, he is thinking about Flanders and he will need to do UAE tour again, he also said he will do 2 GT next year. So who knows. Those and not rumors, he and his team members are saying those things.

 

[scribers]

What we know for sure is nothing is settled until he releases his schedule.

 

[Peyroteo94]

What we know for sure is nothing is settled until he releases his schedule.

He said he will do 2 GTs next year. He also said he would like to race RVV in 2025, so it's obvious he will not race the Giro and will race Tour-Vuelta.

 

[YavorD]

He said he will do 2 GTs next year. He also said he would like to race RVV in 2025, so it's obvious he will not race the Giro and will race Tour-Vuelta.

If he wants to do the Vuelta+ WC (RR + TT) + Lombardia, I guess he has to go really light before the Tour and perhaps even slightly undercooked for the Tour itself.
I don't think he can fit all the mentioned races and be fresh for the Vuelta+WC's.

I guess there will be surprises once he releases his program and either la Vuelta, either some spring races will be dropped.

 

[jmdirt]

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[Peyroteo94]

If he wants to do the Vuelta+ WC (RR + TT) + Lombardia, I guess he has to go really light before the Tour and perhaps even slightly undercooked for the Tour itself.
I don't think he can fit all the mentioned races and be fresh for the Vuelta+WC's.

I guess there will be surprises once he releases his program and either la Vuelta, either some spring races will be dropped.

Someday in his career, he must win the Vuelta and next year is perfect specially after his Giro-Tour this year. 2026 and 2027 will also have a route made for Pogacar. He can maintain his shape for two more weeks. The only problem is GdL, 4 weeks later seems hard even for Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tadej Pogačar 'unbeatable', says Primož Roglič, but winning the Tour de France doesn't keep him up at night

Speaking at Saitama, the Slovenian also described the 'completely new way of racing' Pogačar had ushered in

www.cyclingweekly.com

 

[YavorD]

Someday in his career, he must win the Vuelta and next year is perfect specially after his Giro-Tour this year. 2026 and 2027 will also have a route made for Pogacar. He can maintain his shape for two more weeks. The only problem is GdL, 4 weeks later seems hard even for Pogacar.

I agree with you on the Vuelta. However, I don't think UAE-full classics season-Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta-Worlds-Lombardia is achievable and he'll have to sacrifice something.

That's basically peaking for 3 months after an already busy spring and I guess he'll have to sacrifice something. I think he'd choose the Vuelta. I hope I'm wrong but we'll have to wait a few more weeks to see.