Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

You can’t add muscle to an injury to stabilize and heal an injury

Of course this wasn't exactly after his surgery. Probably 5/6 weeks later but like I said it was Remco who said that.

 

[Mina.S]

Of course this wasn't exactly after his surgery. Probably 5/6 weeks later but like I said it was Remco who said that.

Your learning an important lesson. Never trust a pro cyclist when they try to explain physiology to you. It’s always simplified and pretty iffy.

He probably did some specialised strength and conditioning on his upper body before the tour after he broke his collar bone. This is pretty normal for recovery after you break a bone. It’s near impossible to lose lean mass from one area of you body, especially if your trying to lose 2-3kg. To lose weight there will always be some measure or lean mass loss, this is more pronounced in already lean people and losing that lean mass is very detrimental.

Traditionally when cyclist lose weight before the tour they only do it for short periods at very specific times because it has pretty serious whole body effects on performance and health. I think he would definitely lose something if he gained enough weight for PR then lost it for the tour. It more depends if he thinks the performance gap between him and his rivals is enough for that to be ok.

 

[scribers]

I don't think they need matching outfits to show their affection for each other.

This is where their $20m a year income should pay for a stylist to show them both the fashion love they deserve

 

[Rob5091]

I don't think they need matching outfits to show their affection for each other.

If they live under the same roof, then coordination is de rigueur -something akin to (I bet Jonas and family are already fitted out with Team Vingegaard matching sweats!)

 

[RedheadDane]

Moved from the Roglic thread:

What is style even?

I have two questions:

1. Does he have a niece?
2. Did he steal her sunglasses?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Moved from the Roglic thread:



I have two questions:

1. Does he have a niece?
2. Did he steal her sunglasses?

He has a sister but a niece I don't think so.
Next week he will start his training camp and hope to see him better than ever. I want a different Triple Crown to be done. Tour-Vuelta-WC

 

[RedheadDane]

He has a sister but a niece I don't think so.

According to Wikipedia, he has three older siblings.

 

[scribers]

The style is … fuque you! That’s my style!

 

[scribers]

He has a sister but a niece I don't think so.
Next week he will start his training camp and hope to see him better than ever. I want a different Triple Crown to be done. Tour-Vuelta-WC

The journalists still are not talking about the historical nature of this attempt. Sure he has to win the tour first. But they talking about the vuelta like it’s happening.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The journalists still are not talking about the historical nature of this attempt. Sure he has to win the tour first. But they talking about the vuelta like it’s happening.

Tour-Vuelta-WC was never done.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The journalists still are not talking about the historical nature of this attempt. Sure he has to win the tour first. But they talking about the vuelta like it’s happening.

If Vingegaard races the Giro only a crash will prevent Pogacar from winning Tour-Vuelta.

 

[YavorD]

If Vingegaard races the Giro only a crash will prevent Pogacar from winning Tour-Vuelta.

I don't know, I don't know..
That Giro route with a very strong Visma squad may be a perfect training for the Tour ala Pogacar this year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't know, I don't know..
That Giro route with a very strong Visma squad may be a perfect training for the Tour ala Pogacar this year.

No, it isn't. Giro will never be the best preparation for the Tour. Pogacar is one of a kind but everything went perfectly this year.

 

[YavorD]

No, it isn't. Giro will never be the best preparation for the Tour. Pogacar is one of a kind but everything went perfectly this year.

But it isn't that impossible to do the double either (I mean if Dumoulin (no disrespect) was so close to do it..).
Surely Vingegaard can win the Giro at 85-90% and be at full strength in july.
No, it probably isn't "the best" but when you don't need to peak for the race to win it, it can be a nice way to prepare.

 

[James M]

I don't think they need matching outfits to show their affection for each other.

I do. Clearly they dont love eachother and this is just a forced engagement to strenghten the ties betwen Soudal Quick-Step and UAE.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If they live under the same roof, then coordination is de rigueur -something akin to (I bet Jonas and family are already fitted out with Team Vingegaard matching sweats!)

Now that is what i am talking about, this is on how it's done people.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But it isn't that impossible to do the double either (I mean if Dumoulin (no disrespect) was so close to do it..).
Surely Vingegaard can win the Giro at 85-90% and be at full strength in july.
No, it probably isn't "the best" but when you don't need to peak for the race to win it, it can be a nice way to prepare.

Thomas was clearly better than Dumoulin. The difference wasn't big because Froome was fading in the last week and Thomas is not an agressive rider (sky was pretty conservative as well).

 

[YavorD]

Thomas was clearly better than Dumoulin. The difference wasn't big because Froome was fading in the last week and Thomas is not an agressive rider (sky was pretty conservative as well).

But Dumoulin was peaking for the Giro and had a lot weaker team for both races. Vingegaard (and now obviously Pogacar for that matter) can win the Giro without peaking, thus being fresh enough and peak for the Tour. Especially with a very strong team, he can win the race fairly easy.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But Dumoulin was peaking for the Giro and had a lot weaker team for both races. Vingegaard (and now obviously Pogacar for that matter) can win the Giro without peaking, thus being fresh enough and peak for the Tour. Especially with a very strong team, he can win the race fairly easy.

He was peaking because he can't win the Giro at 85% like Pogacar

 

[YavorD]

He was peaking because he can't win the Giro at 85% like Pogacar

Yes, and despite that (and the weak team) he was second in the Tour.
Vingegaard can win the Giro without peaking and that's the main point. With one main peak in july I think he should be more than competitive in the Tour.
Unless you disagree on the latter.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes, and despite that (and the weak team) he was second in the Tour.
Vingegaard can win the Giro without peaking and that's the main point. With one main peak in july I think he should be more than competitive in the Tour.
Unless you disagree on the latter.

Yup, Vingo is way ahead of everyone not named Pogacar. He should be able to win the Giro without reaching peak form. The question is if it's optimal Tour preparation for him (it worked for Pog but every case is different).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, and despite that (and the weak team) he was second in the Tour.
Vingegaard can win the Giro without peaking and that's the main point. With one main peak in july I think he should be more than competitive in the Tour.
Unless you disagree on the latter.

Yes he can, however he can't beat Pogacar after doing the Giro (unless Pogi doesn't have a normal preparation). Of course he can win the Giro with one leg against everyone not named Pogacar but I don't believe for a second he can beat Pogi in the Tour after doing the Giro. Just my opinion.

 

[YavorD]

Yup, Vingo is way ahead of everyone not named Pogacar. He should be able to win the Giro without reaching peak form. The question is if it's optimal Tour preparation for him (it worked for Pog but every case is different).

With the expected route and usually smart and calculated ride by Vingegaard (of course helped by a strong team) I believe that the Giro won't harm him a lot.
Unless Ayuso, for example, steps up and gives him some sort of trouble (not talking about beating him of course, just putting a fight).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Don't get fooled by what Pogacar did this year. We are probably talking about the best GT rider ever, he is not like other riders (and by "others" I mean GT legends like Froome or Contador).

 

[yaf]

Don't get fooled by what Pogacar did this year. We are probably talking about the best GT rider ever, he is not like other riders (and by "others" I mean GT legends like Froome or Contador).

Vingegaards chance of winning giro without compromising his tour chance depends on roglic and remcos participation in giro. If they are present then he needs to be at his best to beat them b/c we have seen in the tour this year there was only a 3 minute difference in gc b/n jonas & remco. So if he rides giro at 100% then he is cooked for the tour but if rogla & remco aren't there giro will be a training camp for him.