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Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

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Of course he should ride the Vuelta this year. A poster here (Salvarani - that's you mate) keeps on repeating that Pogi should skip the Vuelta. A Vuelta win is more valuable that World's + Lombardia combined. Period.
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How exciting it will be seeing Pogacar destroying Heras's record on Angliru? Pogacar wearing the red jersey and doing a VAM of 1900 m/h for 40 minutes.
 
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Cookster15 said:
After what we saw in 2024 I think Pogi should see how he feels after the Tour. If still feeling fresh he should give Vuelta a try. He can expect a massive fight from Vingegaard and Visma.

I don’t think this necessarily compromises his attempt to defend his worlds title, it depends how much energy he uses up against Vingo. After all in 2024 he still demolished Lombardia at the end of the season despite being flying since Strade Bianche on March 2. 2024 I think suggests when Pogacar has optimal preparation his recovery is the best in the world - yes, better than Jonas Vingegaard who has never attempted similar feats.
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I think if he races the Vuelta, he will not be able to win WC TT.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Is he targeting the WC TT? I was referring to defending his road race title.
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Yes but WC double would be marvelous too. I know Pogacar will destroy WC, EC and Lombardia if he doesn't race the Vuelta but I want him in Angliru. And doing the Vuelta can hurt his chances in Kigali. I still think he is the favourite but without the Vuelta, Pogacar winning in Kigali is a sure bet (and by doing a 105 km solo).
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Yes but WC double would be marvelous too. I know Pogacar will destroy WC, EC and Lombardia if he doesn't race the Vuelta but I want him in Angliru. And doing the Vuelta can hurt his chances in Kigali. I still think he is the favourite but without the Vuelta, Pogacar winning in Kigali is a sure bet (and by doing a 105 km solo).
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That’s too bad. I’d prefer to see him target the Tour / Vuelta double and forget the WC TT.
 
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Rou said:
Of course he should ride the Vuelta this year. A poster here (Salvarani - that's you mate) keeps on repeating that Pogi should skip the Vuelta. A Vuelta win is more valuable that World's + Lombardia combined. Period.
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It is my prediction and because I dont think it is smart to do this season, but I dont know. They know more of what is best.

Just my opinion.

I dont think Vuelta is or should be a priority. Not this year at least, but it is Pog so anything is possible. However, with the focus on classics I dont think he will be doing 2 GTs. And he is starting 2-3 weeks earlier than last year with UAE Tour. Dont see how short break in May is enough, longterm, and then going on 4 months of racing. Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta-Worlds-Lombardia... I dont think it would be smart. So if given a choice I would not do Vuelta, which makes the most sense to skip to be able to go for everything else. The Vuelta is something he can leave for later.

And I dont care about it as much you guys. Period.
 
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Salvarani said:
It is my prediction and because I dont think it is smart to do this season, but I dont know. They know more of what is best.

Just my opinion.

I dont think Vuelta is or should be a priority. Not this year at least, but it is Pog so anything is possible. However, with the focus on classics I dont think he will be doing 2 GTs. And he is starting 2-3 weeks earlier than last year with UAE Tour. Dont see how short break in May is enough, longterm, and then going on 4 months of racing. Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta-Worlds-Lombardia... would be smart. So if given a choice I would not do Vuelta, which makes the most sense to skip to be able to go for everything else. The Vuelta is something he can leave for later.

And I dont care about it as much you guys. Period
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So u think the vuelta ridden in 15-20°c is not the perfect training camp for worlds? Pog never got weakened when riding in this conditions. U can make him race for 100 successive days & he will not get weakened in this weather. If its for the fear of ving, vings participation in vuelta largely depends on the tours outcome i.e if pog is as dominant as 2024 ving will not go to the vuelta instead will be smart and prepare for the worlds TT which is a climbers course and suits him well and also pog will likely skip the TT. So in what scenario should pog avoid vuelta? The only scenario i would imagine is if ving actually closes the gap in the tour & pushes him all the way for the win which is highly unlikely.
 
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So u think the vuelta ridden in 15-20°c is not the perfect training camp for worlds? Pog never got weakened when riding in this conditions. U can make him race for 100 successive days & he will not get weakened in this weather. If its for the fear of ving, vings participation in vuelta largely depends on the tours outcome i.e if pog is as dominant as 2024 ving will not go to the vuelta instead will be smart and prepare for the worlds TT which is a climbers course and suits him well and also pog will likely skip the TT. So in what scenario should pog avoid vuelta? The only scenario i would imagine is if ving actually closes the gap in the tour & pushes him all the way for the win which is highly unlikely.
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Dont even know how to respond to this.

I have said my opinion and prediction on it. In the end they know best and what happens, happens.
 
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It is my prediction and because I dont think it is smart to do this season, but I dont know. They know more of what is best.

Just my opinion.

I dont think Vuelta is or should be a priority. Not this year at least, but it is Pog so anything is possible. However, with the focus on classics I dont think he will be doing 2 GTs. And he is starting 2-3 weeks earlier than last year with UAE Tour. Dont see how short break in May is enough, longterm, and then going on 4 months of racing. Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta-Worlds-Lombardia... I dont think it would be smart. So if given a choice I would not do Vuelta, which makes the most sense to skip to be able to go for everything else. The Vuelta is something he can leave for later.

And I dont care about it as much you guys. Period.
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I agree with you 100%. I wanted him at Giro from begining. This year WC TT and RR is just crazy suited for him. If he just go to TdF and WC RR and TT +Lombardie would be perfect. Otherwise He will have problem with fresh Remco, Jonas, and Primoz at WC RR. I know it a little bit long for Jonas and Primoz but we have never seen all big 4 (with mvdp and vwa also there) at one day race against tired Pogi. I could also see Jonas maybe even Primoz winning WC gold. I think that would eat Pogi alive.
 
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yaf said:
So u think the vuelta ridden in 15-20°c is not the perfect training camp for worlds? Pog never got weakened when riding in this conditions. U can make him race for 100 successive days & he will not get weakened in this weather. If its for the fear of ving, vings participation in vuelta largely depends on the tours outcome i.e if pog is as dominant as 2024 ving will not go to the vuelta instead will be smart and prepare for the worlds TT which is a climbers course and suits him well and also pog will likely skip the TT. So in what scenario should pog avoid vuelta? The only scenario i would imagine is if ving actually closes the gap in the tour & pushes him all the way for the win which is highly unlikely.
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When Vingegaard release his schedule, we will have a clear picture of Pogacar's schedule after the Tour
 
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I agree with you 100%. I wanted him at Giro from begining. This year WC TT and RR is just crazy suited for him. If he just go to TdF and WC RR and TT +Lombardie would be perfect. Otherwise He will have problem with fresh Remco, Jonas, and Primoz at WC RR. I know it a little bit long for Jonas and Primoz but we have never seen all big 4 (with mvdp and vwa also there) at one day race against tired Pogi. I could also see Jonas maybe even Primoz winning WC gold. I think that would eat Pogi alive.
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I think u've gotta be kidding me, remco is like dani martinez for pog with both finishing 9 & half minutes behind pog in each of grand tours. I guess pog will have no problem competing with a fresh martinez up a 10 km climb while still riding 100 kms beforehand & ving was never good in 1 day races. I would say his biggest weakness is the slovenian team if they're like this year he has to open the race again from far out
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I think if he races the Vuelta, he will not be able to win WC TT.
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Vuelta >>>>>WC ITT.

Mick Rogers won it 3 years in a row in the mid 2000s and still wouldn’t make many people’s list of top 25 riders of the decade.

If the Vuelta field is weak and he has a strong team that can repeatedly control and drop him off at his desired point of attack in prime position he will win the Vuelta without having to go so deep that it complicates future key goals.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Seems too much. It is quite easy
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True that it is quite easy as a hockey stick stage with perfect wide roads but in 2021 he and Adam Yates finished together with a 48 second gap to the next group of 3rd onwards.

It is safe to say that the gap between himself and the peloton is wider now than it was then and that the margin of victory will be determined only by how hard he wants to push. Also worth noting that he is much better in the heat now.
 
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