Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Le Manie and Pompeiana has both been in the race before.

It is part of the heritage of the actual race. The argument that it would be a different race is ludicrous and factually wrong. They been there before and can be again.

Just feel like some dont want him to win it or any race. No matter the route or race. It is just straight up hating. Lets call it what it is!

And everyone of these monuments, or any race, changes the route every now and then. All of them. It wouldnt be a "pog thing". It would be normal.

Touché!

 

[James M]

I don't know. Quite a lot of people would welcome Manie/Pompeiana with open arms a few years ago.
I'm sure if someone made a poll back in 2020 about making the race harder you'd have probably 70% approval so the fans (used to) think THE RACE needs extra obstacles.


I can agree, though, that while Pogacar is at his peak the race is good as it is. If you make it harder it would look like the deliberately want him to win it.
It's better to leave it lie this and make Pogacar be creative than to simply give him the race on a silver plate. Hell, at this point I'd go back to some of the easier Lombardia from 20ish years ago routes as well.

I agree with you dont change the route now. I could get a debate regarding the route for excitment purposes (its not my cup of tea either) on paper but the fact that its so easy is exactly why its so hard to win for anyone if you think about it, and for me the best thing is, it differentiate itself from every other monument and thats perfect. Monument should cover everything and something for all.

Ironically if anything wait untill Pog is done, MSR is originally for sprinters and it should be, add any hills and Pogacar makes it into something completely else, heritage or that its normal is fine but he would destroy em and make it into something its not orignally suppose to be, if anything cause hes to good but still, just imo.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Le Manie and Pompeiana has both been in the race before.

In terms of Pompeiana: when?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Just feel like some dont want him to win it or any race. No matter the route or race. It is just straight up hating. Lets call it what it is!

Is that meant to be describing me?

 

[James M]

He may attack on Cipressa not because it's a perfect place to attack but because he tried repeatedly (and failed) on Poggio so time for some change.

I still think it's possible that UAE with the strongest possible line-up can tire guys out on Cipressa and make absolutely thermonuclear pace on Poggio but we will see.

Same (think he will attack at cipressa with his current level and shred it into pieces with Narvaez full sprint at last, but dont know, lets see, if so they obv have to start at Berta aswell) UAE wont make that mistake more regarding the riders they send there. They definitely have the potential to do way more damage than before.

Thermonuclear is coming eitherway now with his current level, thats the one thing thats certain, might aswell start the countdown 3,2,

 

[Salvarani]

In terms of Pompeiana: when?

Been put into the route before.

Is that meant to be describing me?

If the shoe fits, sure. You decide.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Been put into the route before.

But not used, so your statement was incorrect.

If the shoe fits, sure. You decide.

I asked you what your intention was. Are you willing to answer?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Thermonuclear is coming eitherway now with his current level, thats the one thing thats certain, might aswell start the countdown 3,2,

Teddy has been on another level since last year's Tour so his chances should be better than before but I'm curious if UAE will apply a different approach this year.

 

[Salvarani]

But not used, so your statement was incorrect.



I asked you what your intention was. Are you willing to answer?

But in the route/race. I was talking about route changes. Understand the context of the post instead of taking it out of context.

And I didnt qoute you or was talking to you, but take it personally for all you want.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just to clarify one thing since we are talking about heritage. I think Cipressa and Poggio weren't part of the original route.

 

[Salvarani]

Just to clarify one thing since we are talking about heritage. I think Cipressa and Poggio weren't part of the original route.

Like established. Races changes the route all the time. Even if small changes.

Other monuments has also had way more revamps than MSR in very recent time as well, if solely focusing on that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Like established. Races changes the route all the time. Even if small changes.

Other monuments has also had way more revamps than MSR in very recent time as well, if solely focusing on that.

The most emblematic climb in Flanders is no longer important in the race (RVV).

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

And I didnt qoute you or was talking to you, but take it personally for all you want.

So you are not willing to state your intentions. Doesn't really speak to sincerity.

 

[Salvarani]

The most emblematic climb in Flanders is no longer important in the race (RVV).

Exactly.

LBL has had big chances as well.

PR does new sections or the hairpin last year before Arenberg.

Lombardia has different routes.

MSR is probably the monument with the least amount of changes or tweaks. And they have done it throughout the history of the race. So it wouldnt be strange if they did at some point in the future again.

 

[scribers]

I hope they change the route. This race needs Manie or Pompeiana

If Pogi finds a recipe to win it annually, they will certainly try to change it. Maybe even taking out the poggio for a real sprinters finish!

 

[scribers]

Changing the route of MSR is a repetitive topic of conversation here, particularly in that Pogi has desires onto the race and as is, is by far one of his most competitive challenges. We don't always have to quote someone to partake in an ongoing conversation

 

[Salvarani]

Changing the route of MSR is a repetitive topic of conversation here, particularly in that Pogi has desires onto the race and as is, is by far one of his most competitive challenges. We don't always have to quote someone to partake in an ongoing conversation

Yup. Couldnt agree more.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He is not alone in Calpe. He was caught in training with Laengen and other UAE rider. He really loves Calpe to build his base level and get those 5 hours of pure zone 2 at 320-340 watts.

 

[James M]

He is not alone in Calpe. He was caught in training with Laengen and other UAE rider. He really loves Calpe to build his base level and get those 5 hours of pure zone 2 at 320-340 watts.

Pogacar watts are whatever. Im at 550 watts normalized for 3 -4 hours without breaking a sweat. Pogacar who.

Bagioli for instance when he tried to follow Pog(seated) attack in WC at Witikon, Bagioli managed around a peak 550-560power for a 4min avarage normalized and still got blowned away. I might be civilization last hope, all doomers pm me in my dm.

 

[Pantani_lives]

MSR is originally for sprinters and it should be.

No, it wasn't. In 1997 people were surprised when Zabel won it. Since then it has often been a sprint with a big group. Before that there were climbers like Fignon and Chiappucci who won it. With the modern equipment and preparation there are just more riders who can handle climbs like Poggio and Cipressa, so a sprint has become more likely. Zabel and Telekom have really changed the face of the race.

 

[James M]

No, it wasn't. In 1997 people were surprised when Zabel won it. Since then it has often been a sprint with a big group. Before that there were climbers like Fignon and Chiappucci who won it. With the modern equipment and preparation there are just more riders who can handle climbs like Poggio and Cipressa, so a sprint has become more likely. Zabel and Telekom have really changed the face of the race.

Fair nevertheless I still feel the point stands in that its at least the monument out of all 5 thought of for the ''sprinters'' more than the other 4 which was the point and in that adds diversity.

 

[Wyndbrook]

No, it wasn't. In 1997 people were surprised when Zabel won it. Since then it has often been a sprint with a big group. Before that there were climbers like Fignon and Chiappucci who won it. With the modern equipment and preparation there are just more riders who can handle climbs like Poggio and Cipressa, so a sprint has become more likely. Zabel and Telekom have really changed the face of the race.

To be strictly true the Poggio was added about sixty years ago because the race had become the preserve of sprinters.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No, it wasn't. In 1997 people were surprised when Zabel won it. Since then it has often been a sprint with a big group. Before that there were climbers like Fignon and Chiappucci who won it. With the modern equipment and preparation there are just more riders who can handle climbs like Poggio and Cipressa, so a sprint has become more likely. Zabel and Telekom have really changed the face of the race.

MSR never was a race for sprinters. Specialization started in the 90s, MSR was already in edition number 80.

 

[scribers]

Bagioli for instance when he tried to follow Pog(seated) attack in WC at Witikon, Bagioli managed around a peak 550-560power for a 4min avarage normalized and still got blowned away. I might be civilization last hope, all doomers pm me in my dm.

I still see the look of Bagioli peeling off after trying to stay on pogi's wheel. Looked like a dog trying to catch a full speed car on the highway.

 

[hayneplane]

Like established. Races changes the route all the time. Even if small changes.

Other monuments has also had way more revamps than MSR in very recent time as well, if solely focusing on that.

RVV has had a far bigger finale revamp in recent decades and the course for GDL frequently changes greatly.