Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Netserk]

This is the first time he's lost a leaders jersey. Interesting to see how he'll handle a bit of adversity.

If he ends up getting clearly beaten by Vingegaard in this race, will he then have to reconsider his entire approach to the calendar? Should he be a bit more conservative?

He lost the leader's jersey in Valenciana in 2020 before taking it back the day after.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He congratulated Jonas on top of the hill.

 

[Fergoose]

Geraint was joking that Ineos and TJV riders were moving away to stop cycling directly behind Majka due to his positive Covid test. Which rider had the worst performance of his life today? Oh, the guy who Majka is paid to ride directly infront of for hours each day! Just a theory.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pogacar basically lost not because of Roglic, but because he believed 1) he posed a threat and that 2) he should hence cover his attacks and also Jonas' attacks. Additionally, he still towed Jonas in the Galibier.

If you ask me who is physically the best rider I just have one answer: Pogacar. But what gives you a win is also self-knowledge and tactical readings and although Pogacar is sharp, today he basically lost because of believing he is much more powerful than what he really is.

 

[dacooley]

This stage will necessarily make Pogačar much more expierienced and force to feel way less careless. If one aims to win multiple grand tours consecutively, there's no point proving superiority at every terrain possible. Van Aert, Matthews and well as cobbled specialists have their own territory to dominate and stop authority. To each his own. For sure, one might try to be the best everywhere, but then one runs a risk of going into meltdown on the day like this in high mountains. I'm sure this defeat will harden him immensely.

 

[noob]

Pogacar basically lost not because of Roglic, but because he believed 1) he posed a threat and that 2) he should hence cover his attacks and also Jonas' attacks. Additionally, he still towed Jonas in the Galibier.

If you ask me who is phisically the best rider I just have one answer: Pogacar. But what gives you a win is also self-knowledge and tactical readings and although Pogacar is sharp, today he basically lost because of believing he his much more powerful than what he really is.

Yup I agree about this. His only weakness is his ego. And Jumbo knew how to toy with it.

 

[Extinction]

This stage will necessarily make Pogačar much more expierienced and force to feel way less careless. If one aims to win multiple grand tours consecutively, there's no point proving superiority at every terrain possible. Van Aert, Matthews and well as cobbled specialists have their own territory to dominate and stop authority. To each his own. For sure, one might try to be the best everywhere, but then one runs a risk of going into meltdown on the day like this in high mountains. I'm sure this defeat will harden him immensely.

Yes, but Pog doesn't need to radically change, just tone it down a bit.

 

[Big Doopie]

He congratulated Jonas on top of the hill.

the "hill"?

Can't wait until the TDF finally hits the mountains...

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm really curious what his explanation will be. He was clearly stronger than anyone bar Vingegaard on the Galibier and went from that to being 7th on the final climb where he lost time to guys who he had already distanced by minutes one climb earlier. What ever happened today, it wasn't just Pogacar being weak. Maybe he had a hunger knock, maybe the altitude got to him and he couldn't recover on the descent, maybe he went too far into the red on the Galibier,...

 

[Lequack]

The memory of Yates in the Giro lives on.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm really curious what his explanation will be. He was clearly stronger than anyone bar Vingegaard on the Galibier and went from that to being 7th on the final climb where he lost time to guys who he had already distanced by minutes one climb earlier. What ever happened today, it wasn't just Pogacar being weak. Maybe he had a hunger knock, maybe the altitude got to him and he couldn't recover on the descent, maybe he went too far into the red on the Galibier,...

Pog was so strong on Galibier that even Vinge said he was hesitant if he should try on Granon. It was clearly a hunger knock, dehydration or sth like that. Obviously JV attacks was partially responsible for that. This showed that its worth attacking even a seemingly unbreakable guy.

 

[Rollthedice]

I'm really curious what his explanation will be. He was clearly stronger than anyone bar Vingegaard on the Galibier and went from that to being 7th on the final climb where he lost time to guys who he had already distanced by minutes one climb earlier. What ever happened today, it wasn't just Pogacar being weak. Maybe he had a hunger knock, maybe the altitude got to him and he couldn't recover on the descent, maybe he went too far into the red on the Galibier,...

No explanations given.

"On Galibier I still felt really good. I got a lot of attacking from Jumbo, they were really good today," Pogačar said. "Then on the last climb, I don't know, I didn't have a good final day."

 

[AlfaLum]

Will he go full Landis, or will he be more like Simon Yates?

 

[CyclistAbi]

JV started all the way back at Télégraphe. The amount of chasing Pogačar had to do was at least twice as much as JV did attacking. And that is what happened. Two strong guys against one and they wear him down. On what happens tomorrow. I fell it's down to Rogla. Will he go all in for Jonas or will let them fight it out.

 

[Extinction]

We could be in for proper cycling, when the Bigs go head to head, or we could be in for a washout, only Vingegaard and Pogacar have the answer me thinks. But I shall be watching.

 

[Elos Anjos]

I think and hope that we are yet to see Pogacar unleashed.

 

[Red Rick]

It's very obvious thing that Pogacar's entire strategical accumen has been based upon "lol just be much better than everyone else."

 

[Gigs_98]

It's very obvious thing that Pogacar's entire strategical accumen has been based upon "lol just be much better than everyone else."

Yup, he hast raced this entire season like someone who doesn't understand the concept of not being by far the strongest.

 

[Cookster15]

I still have lingering doubts about how Pogi copes at high altitude. Yes I know he didn't help his cause on the Galibier but the only other time I recall him losing any time on a big mountain was 15 seconds to Roglic on Col de la Loze in 2020 (also 2,400 metres) ?

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

He is human after all. But I did want the GC action to be a lot closer than it now is.

I said this yesterday but I guess I'll say it again: We will know a lot more tomorrow. I'm not ready to write this off as a Vingegaard cakewalk yet.

The memory of Yates in the Giro lives on.

You never go full Yates!

 

[Red Rick]

No hunger bonk

He just didnt recover from the Galibier cause he rode it like a HIIT session.

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547340042166747144

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1547340042166747144

 

[Lequack]

Maybe Covid hit him on the second part of the climb while he was riding behind Majka

 

[roundabout]

Pogacar rode Galibier well enough to put doubts into Vingegaard who probably would have dropped him there and then based on his stupendous margin of superiority on the Granon.

Gambling on letting Roglic go could have had Van Aert and Roglic ahead for Vingegaard over the Galibier

 

[JosefK]

I love watching him because he is not conservative. Who needs multiple grand tour winners that are affraid to attack on certain terrains and rely on train of strong teammates to pull them sheltered into the last climbs. We had plenty of those already and it is not a fun affair in my books.

Today's stage was awsome despite the end result (for Slovenian fans). I hope there is more to come this and in following years.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pogi resurrects himself on this Tour and starts to take back time on Jonas.