Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Red Rick

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KZD said:
I don't think the Giro is a good option next year because neither the Tour or the Vuelta would fit well in Pogačar's schedule.

If he does Giro-Tour he just risks arriving too tired to the Olympic Games and even if he is able to do a little peak for the Worlds+Lombardia, he likely wouldn't be at his best either.

If he does Giro-Vuelta, he would arrive fresher to the Olympics but as Red Rick says having a Tour in the legs actually helps, at least for the road race. Plus, he would possibly ride Olympics, Vuelta, Worlds and Lombardia in little more than two months which seems just too much.

So next year, it really makes sense only to ride one Grand Tour and for the best rider in the world, who also rides several spring classics, that GT should be the Tour. The Olympics is just the cherry on top.

I think 2025 is the first year where there is a good chance of watching Pogačar at the Giro but that could also depend on the outcome of next year's Tour.
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I would change very little. Remove Jaen, and probably swap Amstel for Roubaix.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
His TdF preparations were complicated by his crash in LBL so they may be more cautious regarding PR indeed. It'll happen at some point though: sooner or later. Hopefully the former.
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At this point in his career he should have 5 objectives: OGRR, WCRR, giro, vuelta, and all 5 monuments. Seriously. If he falls short at the tour again he should put it on the back burner.
 
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Netserk

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Bolder said:
At this point in his career he should have 5 objectives: OGRR, WCRR, giro, vuelta, and all 5 monuments. Seriously. If he falls short at the tour again he should put it on the back burner.
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No. Always Tour ahead of the Giro, if you have to choose.

Ticking all the boxes (or die trying) is not the measure of a great palmares. Great victories are, and the more, the better. 7 Tours >>> 2 Giri, 2 Tours & 3 Vueltas.
 
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Him doing the Giro would be cool because he'd finally do the Vuelta again and potentially be in top shape for Olympic RR / Worlds.

Him doing the Giro would also be shite because he'd annilihate the competition.

Just from a collecting as many trophies as possible perspective next year would be the perfect year by some distance to skip the Tour. Terrible competition at the Giro, weakened competition at the Vuelta with everyone doing the Tour. Olympics in the perfect spot.
 
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Netserk said:
No. Always Tour ahead of the Giro, if you have to choose.

Ticking all the boxes (or die trying) is not the measure of a great palmares. Great victories are, and the more, the better. 7 Tours >>> 2 Giri, 2 Tours & 3 Vueltas.
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How many Giros and Vueltas add up to a Tour though? If he can win 2 Giros for every Tour, is that a fair trade? Or a Giro win and podium vs 2 Tour podiums?
 
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Netserk said:
No. Always Tour ahead of the Giro, if you have to choose.

Ticking all the boxes (or die trying) is not the measure of a great palmares. Great victories are, and the more, the better. 7 Tours >>> 2 Giri, 2 Tours & 3 Vueltas.
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Not in my opinion.

I would rather have won 3xGiri, 2xTdF, 2xVuelta + All Monuments than 10TdF.

Likely I rather win 1MSR, 1Roubaix, 1RVV, 2LBL, 5 Giro di Lombardia than 7 LBL and 7 Giro di Lombardia.

The first establish you as 2nd best rider all time (to reach Eddy Merckx level will be hard to achieve). The latter as the greatest TdF rider in history but "nothing else".

It's something like Rafa Nadal. He will be the best Roland Garros / clay player in Tennis History, but won't be the best all-around player.
 
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Netserk said:
No. Always Tour ahead of the Giro, if you have to choose.

Ticking all the boxes (or die trying) is not the measure of a great palmares. Great victories are, and the more, the better. 7 Tours >>> 2 Giri, 2 Tours & 3 Vueltas.
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I'm not sure he can win the tour if Vingegaard is doing it, too, though.

He's got some special qualities wrt the ability to race at an insanely high level all year long on all terrain, plus he's young enough to scarf up some other objectives and return to the Tour later (at the ripe old age of 30) with maybe a lighter schedule. I'm not saying he needs to pile up lesser GTs, but winning all 3 at least once would be huge. Although all 5 monuments would be yuger...
 
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Bolder said:
I'm not sure he can win the tour if Vingegaard is doing it, too, though.

He's got some special qualities wrt the ability to race at an insanely high level all year long on all terrain, plus he's young enough to scarf up some other objectives and return to the Tour later (at the ripe old age of 30) with maybe a lighter schedule. I'm not saying he needs to pile up lesser GTs, but winning all 3 at least once would be huge. Although all 5 monuments would be yuger...
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If he doesn't win the Tour anymore so be it. You never know what the future holds and he has a very high level - too high not to try to win Tour #3. He might go for Giro-Vuelta double at some point but as I said before - Tour matches very well with his one-day races excellence and I'm not expecting any schedule change in the next couple of years.
 
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I think it is perfectly doable to ride UAE Tour, SB (can be removed), T-A, MSR, Dwars or E3, Flanders, Fleche and LBL before doing Giro.

Take a week or so off after the Giro, ride the nationals and a smaller race before Olympics or just go straight to the Olympics. Pog goes well after a break. He will probably be flying either way and be able to fight for the win, if he wins is another story but not much more he can do.
 
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OlavEH said:
Nah, not if aren't a Pogacar fan. He would probably dominate completely and win by 5+ minutes.

Rather Remco or Roglic since these two seem a bit more vulnerable in the mountains than Pog. Remco might crack and lose some minutes on a 225 km stage to Livigno.
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Teddy in the spring has good power for classics but is fat. He would be crushed by real men on mythical Giro climbs.
 
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