Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Gigs_98 said:
A guy who is seemingly trying to win every race on the calendar was always going to do the Giro at some point. I'm just surprised this point is right now. Maybe Pogi has simply gotten sick of the Tour.

Whatever it is, I agree this will likely make two GTs uncompetitive, though I much rather take another 2011 Giro over the last two "super competitive" races. I also think that if Vingegaard wants to put his name into the history books he should absolutely follow Pogi to the Giro. This might be the best chance of a giro-tour double of his career as all he has to do is beating Pogacar mano a mano twice (really making that sound easier than it is). If Vingegaard ever does the Giro in the future, Pogacar will immediately put his entire focus on the Tour.
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Poggi went for three TdF's in a row. VInge will make it this year. When Pog wins Giro, I think he'll skip TdF and goes for Vuelta instead.
 
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Many of you seem to think this is Pog abolishing his TDF hopes and "settling" for Giro win in combination with other classics/stage races. I don't think this is Pog's intention at all. I actually believe this is a part of his strategy to improve his chances in TDF. Instead of going for the classics, he will optimise his training for stage racing in 2024. Him going for the Giro with its lighter course and lack of competition could serve as a buildup on the road to the Tour. So if anything, I see this as a declaration of war on Vinge in TDF. Of course, this theory will need to be confirmed by him cancelling his classics/monuments appearance in the next couple of weeks...
 
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Gigs_98 said:
A guy who is seemingly trying to win every race on the calendar was always going to do the Giro at some point. I'm just surprised this point is right now. Maybe Pogi has simply gotten sick of the Tour.

Whatever it is, I agree this will likely make two GTs uncompetitive, though I much rather take another 2011 Giro over the last two "super competitive" races. I also think that if Vingegaard wants to put his name into the history books he should absolutely follow Pogi to the Giro. This might be the best chance of a giro-tour double of his career as all he has to do is beating Pogacar mano a mano twice (really making that sound easier than it is). If Vingegaard ever does the Giro in the future, Pogacar will immediately put his entire focus on the Tour.
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I dont think Visma will gamble and send Vinge to Giro, this year, to attempt the double. Not with Van Aert already riding the Giro as well.

3rd Tour will be the big priority.

With Roglic, Evenepoel, Ayuso and others... the race will be quite different than the past years. Dynamics will be different. More teams will be involved. It wont be just UAE vs Visma.

I think 2025 he might do Giro-Tour instead.
 
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Can anyone show me a single piece of evidence skipping the Tour is better for his Olympics prep? This is claimed constantly and there is simply no reason to believe it's true.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Can anyone show me a single piece of evidence skipping the Tour is better for his Olympics prep? This is claimed constantly and there is simply no reason to believe it's true.
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Has anyone said that he should skip it because of the prep though?

Just that many think he should skip it anyway.
 
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Netserk said:
How does doing the Giro help?
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If he wins the Giro and skips the Tour it will allow him to train specifically for the Olympic course and arrive fresher. He would also have time to manipulate his body weight for whatever would work best on the Olympic course. If it's a tough classics course maybe he could gain a kilo or 2 of muscle if that would help with battling Wout and MvdP.
 
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Unterlenkerfahrend said:
He'd definitely skip the Tour if it weren't for UAE. Perfect year to do so with the Olympics lining up. But he has hinted quite a few times already at the fact that they're applying big pressure on him doing the Tour every year.
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Someone should tell UAE that Adam is good enough to finish 2nd at the Tour if Tadej isn't there.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Can anyone show me a single piece of evidence skipping the Tour is better for his Olympics prep? This is claimed constantly and there is simply no reason to believe it's true.
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Idk about skipping it, it sure seemed like doing the Tour was decent prep for Glasgow RR this year. Whereas it might have been the reverse for the ITT.

But maybe Teddy can fold his GC ambitions early in the Tour and take a few days off during the 3 weeks. If he was truly going to sacrifice the Tour de France for Olympics; which I find very doubtful.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Can anyone show me a single piece of evidence skipping the Tour is better for his Olympics prep? This is claimed constantly and there is simply no reason to believe it's true.
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Salvarani said:
Has anyone said that he should skip it because of the prep though?

Just that many think he should skip it anyway.
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stonerider said:
If he wins the Giro and skips the Tour it will allow him to train specifically for the Olympic course and arrive fresher. He would also have time to manipulate his body weight for whatever would work best on the Olympic course. If it's a tough classics course maybe he could gain a kilo or 2 of muscle if that would help with battling Wout and MvdP.
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Here you have an example @Salvarani.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Can anyone show me a single piece of evidence skipping the Tour is better for his Olympics prep? This is claimed constantly and there is simply no reason to believe it's true.
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Best performers at San Sebastián typically come from late trending tour form. Remco is an outlier here
 
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Vincenzo says Pogacar is doing the right thing, and who are we to argue with that. Do we know if Pogacar decided doing the Giro or did the team management decide?
Personally I think it's good for cycling that the Giro gets some glory back from the Tour, but I still would be very surprised if Pogacar tries for the Giro/Tour double.
 
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Tim Cahill said:
Winning the Giro, even without the absolute best there, does not come without a cost, ask Froome and Contador. I think we've just gone from two competitive grand tours to zero, though hopefully I'm completely wrong.

Vingegaard is hopefully rethinking his plans for next year.
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Or Dumoulin, for that matter. But Pog doesn't have the luxury of waiting for Vingegaard to retire.
 
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Netserk said:
How does doing the Giro help?
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Riding the Giro doesn't help you win the Olympics, but that's not what I said. I said he's riding the Giro, because he wants to win the Olympics.

With the stature of Pogacar you have to go for a GT win every season. Since he also really wants to shine at the olympics, he can't do an all out TDF beforehand. So doing the Giro will get him that GT win (probably, if he's unlucky he might lose it by getting COVID), and then focus on the Olympics by riding the TDF like MVDP did this year. Ride it as a preparation for the Olympics, get some stage wins, but don't go all out every stage. Basically the same thing WVA is doing.
 
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Poggi wants to win everything. Whe he was denied a third TdF, he wanted revenge. But failed. So now it's time to win Giro and Vuelta.
 
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