Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[gregrowlerson]

Contador was poetry in motion, you can't beat that feeling. He is perfection aesthetically

Klöden & Landa say "You're our super domestique when it comes to that!"

 

[Escarabajo]

Has Pogacar ever precisely announced what races he'll do before the Giro. According to PCS it's only LBL but has he ever ruled out FW? That seems like the kind of race that wouldn't do too much harm to his preparations.

I haven't read it anywhere. Just discussions from the Eurosport commentators about his schedule during the Catalunya race. It is LBL and to the Giro. Nothing less nothing more.

 

[Nick2413]

So how would he have done on the cobbles today?

 

[velaso montador]

is he doing a training camp on altitude aswell after the giro before the tour?

 

[Red Rick]

So how would he have done on the cobbles today?

With how Van der Poel faded in the end I feel like Pog woulda won tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar is straight up better in RvV if the race is super hard and attritional like it was yesterday. MvdP had 0 punch by the end and was close to collapsing, and I think Pog basically has a higher floor he falls to when stone dead.

Glasgow may make it look like MvdP is better in these hard attritional races, but that was basically 30s climbing reps out of the saddle which suits MvdP so much more than Pog. Finally, Pog gets the bigger rain buff.

 

[velaso montador]

With how Van der Poel faded in the end I feel like Pog woulda won tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar is straight up better in RvV if the race is super hard and attritional like it was yesterday. MvdP had 0 punch by the end and was close to collapsing, and I think Pog basically has a higher floor he falls to when stone dead.

Glasgow may make it look like MvdP is better in these hard attritional races, but that was basically 30s climbing reps out of the saddle which suits MvdP so much more than Pog. Finally, Pog gets the bigger rain buff.

Pogacar in glasgow was also not 100% and far from it. But Vdp in flandern is insane properly the best rider ever there ?(certainly the result speak for themself)

But i tend to agree that when the race becomes attrional i would give the edge to Pogacar too but its a open call in my opinion as their very close in Flandern i think but favours Pog the more attrional it becomes indeed but it is one for the ages whent they face off there.

Also says alot about Pog if he can beat him like he has when Vdp is arguable the best flandern rider of all time.

That duel in flandern is 50/50 and one for the history books to watch bearing any missfortunes.

 

[Netserk]

With how Van der Poel faded in the end I feel like Pog woulda won tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar is straight up better in RvV if the race is super hard and attritional like it was yesterday. MvdP had 0 punch by the end and was close to collapsing, and I think Pog basically has a higher floor he falls to when stone dead.

Glasgow may make it look like MvdP is better in these hard attritional races, but that was basically 30s climbing reps out of the saddle which suits MvdP so much more than Pog. Finally, Pog gets the bigger rain buff.

Rain buff, but he also has to deal with wet cobbles. It's no given that he'd do Koppenberg as well as Van der Poel.

 

[Red Rick]

Rain buff, but he also has to deal with wet cobbles. It's no given that he'd do Koppenberg as well as Van der Poel.

It's Pog, when in doubt I'll assume he can do it, plus his seated power is insane.

 

[Gratemans]

My gut says on a course like this, in these circumstances they're just too close to call and it would come down to form of the day.

 

[Nick2413]

I agree this edition would have suited him even more than last 2 years. But woulda coulda shoulda I guess.

 

[Blanco]

Alberto was ther better gc-rider in any aspect. Valverde could have won much more races if he had just 20 % of the panache of alberto contador had.

Alberto was better Grand Tour rider, clearly. In one-week races they were much more closer. In one-day races it was daylight between them.
Valverde won 133 professional races.
Now, you said he would won much more if he had a 20% panache of Contador. How much is that? 50 races more? 100? 200?
You're maybe not aware that with these numbers he would become 2nd most succsesfull rider of all time after Merckx, and maybe even surpass him.

 

[Netserk]

Alberto was better Grand Tour rider, clearly. In one-week races they were much more closer. In one-day races it was daylight between them.
Valverde won 133 professional races.
Now, you said he would won much more if he had a 20% panache of Contador. How much is that? 50 races more? 100? 200?
You're maybe not aware that with these numbers he would become 2nd most succsesfull rider of all time after Merckx, and maybe even surpass him.

Winning Vuelta a Murcia doesn't make you better than Coppi.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Winning Vuelta a Murcia doesn't make you better than Coppi.

Ouch, what a headshot.

 

[velaso montador]

Ouch, what a headshot.

Winning Vuelta a Murcia doesn't make you better than Coppi.

hahaha.

 

[Blanco]

Winning Vuelta a Murcia doesn't make you better than Coppi.

But makes you better than Contador and whole bunch of others.

 

[Gigs_98]

But makes you better than Contador and whole bunch of others.

You think winning the Vuelta a Murcia makes you better than Contador???

 

[Blanco]

You think winning the Vuelta a Murcia makes you better than Contador???

Of course.., and everything else.

 

[Gigs_98]

Of course.., and everything else.

I think we both know how Netserks comment was meant. But you agree the argument is applicable when comparing Valverde to Coppi but don't think it's applicable when comparing Valverde to Contador? Why?

 

[Blanco]

I think we both know how Netserks comment was meant. But you agree the argument is applicable when comparing Valverde to Coppi but don't think it's applicable when comparing Valverde to Contador? Why?

Because Coppi is a cycling royalty, best rider of all-times, bar Merckx.
Had Valverde doubled the amount of everything he won, it won't be enough to reach Coppi.
For Contador, there's no need to double anything.

 

[Sciatic]

Rain buff, but he also has to deal with wet cobbles. It's no given that he'd do Koppenberg as well as Van der Poel.

I don’t agree, at least as far as the muddy cobbled section of the Koppenberg is concerned. When they showed MVDP from one side on the climb, you could see his technique was different than the other riders, managing to keeping a straight line with no side-to-side slipping. Pog, of course, may have powered past him Oude Kwaremont like last year

 

[Netserk]

I don’t agree, at least as far as the muddy cobbled section of the Koppenberg is concerned. When they showed MVDP from one side on the climb, you could see his technique was different than the other riders, managing to keeping a straight line with no side-to-side slipping.

Am I misunderstanding you, do you not in fact agree with me?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Because Coppi is a cycling royalty, best rider of all-times, bar Merckx.
Had Valverde doubled the amount of everything he won, it won't be enough to reach Coppi.
For Contador, there's no need to double anything.

You must me trolling. Are you Taxus?

 

[velaso montador]

Because Coppi is a cycling royalty, best rider of all-times, bar Merckx.
Had Valverde doubled the amount of everything he won, it won't be enough to reach Coppi.
For Contador, there's no need to double anything.

Pogacar is already better than both.

Hes not greater than Merckx but certaintly theres never been a person on a bike of human existence that are better than Pogacar.

 

[Blanco]

Pogacar is already better than both.

Hes not greater than Merckx but certaintly theres never been a person on a bike of human existence that are better than Pogacar.

 

[Froome]

Almost better than stand up comedy 😂