Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

Why would you assume Rogla has better chance at crashing on the "sterrato stage" compared to Pogi? AFAIK both are great bike handlers on such terrain.

Wut

 

[Red Rick]

Wut

It makes sense.

100% of Roglic' many crashes were on regular asphalt

 

[tobydawq]

It makes sense.

100% of Roglic' many crashes were on regular asphalt

And he did put a few seconds into the other GC riders on Plateau de Glières so obviously he will trounce Tadej on that stage.

 

[Red Rick]

And he did put a few seconds into the other GC riders on Glières (?) so obviously he will trounce Tadej on that stage.

That's the spirit.

In reality, I think flat gravel sections aren't hard enough to create much seperation, but the flat tires and positioning washing machiens could mean carnage all the same.

Roglic was perfectly fine in GP Denain in 2022.

 

[zekance]

Pogačar on leading the race from start to finish:
"Wearing a shirt from the first day to the last is something unimaginable. I can't imagine it myself, and I don't have such a plan, even if I were very, very sovereign. However, you have to think with your head, you also have to think about the team, and not just yourself. And of course also the fact that the Tour is waiting for us immediately after the Giro."

Tadej on how to approach the Giro tactically?:
"I would say not at full steam, you have to keep in mind that you finish the Giro happy, with positive energy regardless of the result. You have to finish the race with your mind somewhat fresh, you must not be knocked down and completely destroyed, so that you can then rest as soon as possible and prepare for the Tour."

Pogačar on working with new trainer:
"This year I have a new coach and it shows in the training sessions and the form itself. What has changed the most is communication and a more open attitude, a little more open-mindedness towards training and everything else that is happening around. Even about normal life, I can talk to my new coach much easier than before. We connected already in the winter and now somehow everything flows. He also trains Domen Novak, maybe he was the reason I chose him. If your colleague, your friend tells you in your language that this coach is really good, then that's it. I am very glad that I decided on him"

 

[Poursuivant]

I don’t think Pink from start to finish is that outlandish: he will be favourite for the first two stages, and there probably won’t be many within a minute of him come Sunday night. Then there are three flat stages where UAE probably won’t have to do anything as the sprint teams will all chase.

Stage 6 to me looks a good possibility of a breakaway stage but at the same time, Pogacar likes the gravel and with a TT the following day where he will likely extend his lead, UAE might be thinking about controlling stage 6, a good stage for the team they’re bringing, keep pink, and let Pog extend his lead in the TT and mountain stages that follow, kill off any chances of GC for the contenders, and his rivals might then start to think of a podium place.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well, historically Roglic has a better chance at crashing than Pogacar.

Does he? That is he finished a shitload of GT's on where he won or came close. The Tour is a race on where stats in regards to race defining crashes are a bit worse. Still if we analyse it then what we see is Rogla was not selected in the last years edition and on previous two editions he didn't crash per se, to DNF, it was an unfortunate outside influence that made him crash. On top of that Rogla and Pogi already rode together on a similar stage and Rogla was even setting the pace. So my point is both should do just fine on the "sterrato stage". This stage had potential to crack Jonas. But now we don't even know if he will participate and if he will likely mountains will be an appropriate place too. We'll see.

 

[Froome]

Does he? That is he finished a shitload of GT's on where he won or came close. The Tour is a race on where stats in regards to race defining crashes are a bit worse. Still if we analyse it then what we see is Rogla was not selected in the last years edition and on previous two editions he didn't crash per se, to DNF, it was an unfortunate outside influence that made him crash. On top of that Rogla and Pogi already rode together on a similar stage and Rogla was even setting the pace. So my point is both should do just fine on the "sterrato stage". This stage had potential to crack Jonas. But now we don't even know if he will participate and if he will likely mountains will be an appropriate place too. We'll see.

Roglic crashed 2 or 3 times on Basque country, for some reasons he crashed before the Tour 2020, crashed Tour 2021, crashed Tour 2022, he even crashed last year in the Giro.

There's even a high chance he crashes in some stage before the sterrato stage.

I hope he doesn't crash, but the chance is high, more higher than Pogacar, because Pogacar rarely crashes. Last year crash on LBL was an exception.

Talking about Vingegaard, you don't have elements to prove the sterrato stage can crack him. It's just your assumption.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Froome

The claim was made about the "sterrato stage". That is on how Rogla can potentially beat Pogi at Tour 2024 but due to the crashes the "sterrato stage" goes against his odd. I just wanted to point out it is rather baseless to say that, expecting such stage to have such an effect on Rogla, based on the past. It will likely be more about damage control in the case of a puncture, or similar. More about luck then rider bike handling ability, so all riders to be potentially affected.

As for Jonas i do agree as we simply can not know yet based on the past. It's just that i underlined this stage, on where the duo should try to crack Jonas and the rest is indeed up to Jonas.

 

[Rob5091]

Seems like Teddy's fighting the press too -

... the Slovenian is not happy with the storm that has been made around him leading up to the race in terms of his favouritism.

“That's sh*t, and not nice. It is not respectful to the other riders. It's not all just about me and UAE Emirates," Pogacar hit hard in the pre-race press conference, more specifically in words to Wielerflits as well. "There is not that much difference between us and the rest on the big climbs. Everyone is well prepared for this and every team wants to go for the win. In the media, as is often the case, it is b******."

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...uments-that-giro-is-won-before-it-even-starts

 

[CyclistAbi]

And of top of that if Pogi really takes pink on the first day and stays in it through the race. That will likely be more exhausting that the race itself. Dealing with the media on a daily basis. Sort of doing a semi double in itself.

 

[Taxus4a]

Pogacar is the great favourite for the race withpout discussion thios time, burr for the first stage is arguable, there are more contender, he is a favourite more. The list is potencially big, bur to say 3 names: Allaphillipe, Vernon, Pithie,...
Pogacar objetive should be pink at the end, if he has easy lot of stages no probpem, but his priority this stages is not risk, be safe and dont make a big effort thinking at le Tpour as well...shpuldnt be an objetive forst stage... Second stage is perfect fpr him and I think that is not a big problem to go dor the stage and pink if he and the team want....
But I know Matxin and maybe they want to be pink from the begining at the end..make history,
sweep the board and to get he is the only main character of the race...He is able, but he should think about the rest of the season,,if he and the team will get to forbear of that we will see. What is sure uis that a race with him is nor boring...for me to win clearly form far is not boring.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I am beginning to wonder if Rogla’s chances at the Tour are being underestimated?

He will be motivated to avenge 2020.
He will be fresh.
And he will also have a strong team riding for him - including Jai Hindley.

Underestimate Roglic at your peril.

Its his best Tour chance since 2020 and probably till the end of career. I see him as a co favourite actually.

 

[Froome]

@Froome

The claim was made about the "sterrato stage". That is on how Rogla can potentially beat Pogi at Tour 2024 but due to the crashes the "sterrato stage" goes against his odd. I just wanted to point out it is rather baseless to say that, expecting such stage to have such an effect on Rogla, based on the past. It will likely be more about damage control in the case of a puncture, or similar. More about luck then rider bike handling ability, so all riders to be potentially affected.

As for Jonas i do agree as we simply can not know yet based on the past. It's just that i underlined this stage, on where the duo should try to crack Jonas and the rest is indeed up to Jonas.

He has a good chance of being stronger than Pogacar in the Tour if he get's out of trouble, because i don't believe for a second that Pogacar will survive in the brutal last week of the Tour after having the Giro and two weeks of the Tour in his legs. Even so, i don't expect Roglic to take time on Pogacar in the sterrato stage.

Despite that, don't forget that Vingegaard can still be at the Tour. He is the man to beat there.

 

[BullsFan22]

Really excited to see how Tadej’s Giro-Tour attempt goes. I think he’ll be on the podium in both. It’ll be tough to double up, but should he win the Giro without too many problems, and can stay safe and ‘conserve’ energy in the early parts of the Tour, I think he’ll have a chance to achieve the double.

 

[velaso montador]

Teddy enters Giro for the first time. Should be fun. Gonne be interesting se their approach to this since we all know the goal of the double its just not as easy as pump and dump in the giro.

Unleash the kraken on the Giro I guess poor souls

 

[Rob5091]

If Pogacar is going to slag off the media after every stage, then Remco will need to up his game! Maybe Teddy will do a Lance and just talk to his buddies in the press, at least it'll liven up the Giro.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Froome

I don't expect Rogla to take (or lose) time on Pogi at the "sterrato stage".

@Rob5091

Giro will likely consume Pogi and all the pre race ideas on how to preserve energy to go straight to the shambles.

As for pre-season expectations. We all kind of looked forward to see big 4 battling it out at the Tour, all 4 being distinctive enough for some special race dynamics involved. This ideas in my opinion were over before the season really started. ATM i have them:

Giro - Pogi
Tour - Rogla
Vuelta - Jonas

Such predictions obvisuly can change by the hour as in the end this is still cycling we are talking about. But now lets focus on Giro and lets see on how that goes. A bond with Tifosi, that would be a plus too. We'll see.

 

[Froome]

@Froome

I don't expect Rogla to take (or lose) time on Pogi at the "sterrato stage".

@Rob5091

Giro will likely consume Pogi and all the pre race ideas on how to preserve energy to go straight to the shambles.

As for pre-season expectations. We all kind of looked forward to see big 4 battling it out at the Tour, all 4 being distinctive enough for some special race dynamics involved. This ideas in my opinion were over before the season really started. ATM i have them:

Giro - Pogi
Tour - Rogla
Vuelta - Jonas

Such predictions obvisuly can change by the hour as in the end this is still cycling we are talking about. But now lets focus on Giro and lets see on how that goes. A bond with Tifosi, that would be a plus too. We'll see.

"Tour-Rogla".

This is very suspicious coming from you @CyclistAbi !

 

[CyclistAbi]

"Tour-Rogla".

This is very suspicious coming from you @CyclistAbi !

If i would try not to be objective i would say Tour-Vuelta double by Rogla, still motivated and fresh Jonas is something i can't overlook, so it currently looks rather grim in respect to any cyclist achieving a double this year.

 

[Froome]

If i would try not to be objective i would say Tour-Vuelta double by Rogla, still motivated and fresh Jonas is something i can't overlook, so it currently looks rather grim in respect to any cyclist achieving a double this year.

I can agree with you at this point of the season because i don't believe Pogacar will survive to the last week of the Tour after being in a good level since the beginning of May, Vingegaard is an uncertainty, so Roglic can be the favourite.

If we were in the beginning of the season, Vingegaard and Pogacar would be more favourites to win the Tour than Roglic because they are stronger than him.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If we were in the beginning of the season, Vingegaard and Pogacar would be more favourites to win the Tour than Roglic because they are stronger than him.

Yeah and Rogla is old and *** like that, i know, it comes with the job. Luckily the road doesn't care. And Rogla has a good relationship with the road, hitting the deck so often.

P.S. As for Remco yes i still do have him as the dark horse although i don't believe he will be in the same form as he would be without the injury involved.

 

[Froome]

Yeah and Rogla is old and *** like that, i know, it comes with the job. Luckily the road doesn't care. And Rogla has a good relationship with the road, hitting the deck so often.

P.S. As for Remco yes i still do have him as the dark horse although i don't believe he will be in the same form as he would be without the injury involved.

I never said that, and i don't think he is old because he started later in cycling. He still has at least more 3 good seasons.

I just simply think in normal conditions, Vingegaard and Pogacar are stronger GT riders than him.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I just simply think in normal conditions, Vingegaard and Pogacar are stronger GT riders than him.

Years of Omi & Opi, Sonny, hay bale, not selected for the Tour team ... and similar abuse could persuade some into believing that. People more perceptive to that usually aren't Rogla fans in the first place.

 

[Froome]

Years of Omi & Opi, Sonny, hay bale, not selected for the Tour team ... and similar abuse could persuade some into believing that. People more perceptive to that usually aren't Rogla fans in the first place.

C'mon mate, Roglic never did perfomances like Pogacar did on LPDBF, romme+colombiere, or perfomances like Vingegaard did on granon, hautacam or the TT of last year.

I think even Roglic fans admit they are stronger than him, but like i said, Roglic can win the Tour this year due the circumstances.