Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Check the difference in front area:

Yeah but Contador was super thin too. Dude is a freak

 

[scribers]

But he can't TT

Well. He can’t now

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

i dont get pogi/uae tactics

riding hard and launch pogi works perfectly vs weak opposition in the giro
but in the Tour they should exploit Pogi's explosivity much more and gamble less on hard long solo's/slog efforts, that only suits Vingegaard more. Just let the break go, control the break but not too hard, let them win the stage. And then use Pogi's 1km attack on the last climb. Vingegaard would lose each time. And Visma dont have the team they had the last couple of years so they can't make the race as hard as Vingegaard needs anyway.

Now UAE do it for him. Weird. Or is Pogi overconfident?

 

[kn0s]

For the pro-bonkers out there

Why would he bonk when he had the most help in the final, usual UAE/Pogi incompetence? I see no reason why he couldn't get what he needed.

Is he already bonking when losing ground close to the top of puy mary? Surely he must have when losing ground to Jonas.

Is it possible that cooking yourself completely feels about the same as bonking? So you start fueling as fast as you can, just in case?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

But he can't TT

well. Yes but no. Pantani did some fantastic TT's that would shame notorious non-tters like Bardet , the Schlecks etc.

 

[Mayomaniac]

i dont get pogi/uae tactics

riding hard and launch pogi works perfectly vs weak opposition in the giro
but in the Tour they should exploit Pogi's explosivity much more and gamble less on hard long solo's/slog efforts, that only suits Vingegaard more. Just let the break go, control the break but not too hard, let them win the stage. And then use Pogi's 1km attack on the last climb. Vingegaard would lose each time. And Visma dont have the team they had the last couple of years so they can't make the race as hard as Vingegaard needs anyway.

Now UAE do it for him. Weird. Or is Pogi overconfident?

A combination of both, they don't race smart and nobody in the teamcar has the guts to tell him how to race/according to Baldato he sees those things more as suggestions.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

i dont get pogi/uae tactics

riding hard and launch pogi works perfectly vs weak opposition in the giro
but in the Tour they should exploit Pogi's explosivity much more and gamble less on hard long solo's/slog efforts, that only suits Vingegaard more. Just let the break go, control the break but not too hard, let them win the stage. And then use Pogi's 1km attack on the last climb. Vingegaard would lose each time. And Visma dont have the team they had the last couple of years so they can't make the race as hard as Vingegaard needs anyway.

Now UAE do it for him. Weird. Or is Pogi overconfident?

I don't think there was anything wrong with the tactic. He could have killed the race yesterday, just like Vingegaard tried to do on Tourmalet last year, but they both failed because their opponent had improved and/or they themselves had worse legs than expected.

It didn't pay off, but it was worth the risk. In the end Pogačar is still in a much better position right now than Vingegaard was at this stage last year.

 

[Martinstranger]

Now UAE do it for him. Weird. Or is Pogi overconfident?

He (or they) are overconfident/desperate/nervous.

I'm sure they expected to have more time to Vingo at this time in the Tour. Therefore they are a bit desperate to gain more time. The only problem is, that attacking from that distance and with those oppenents aren't easy. I didn't get it on the gravel stage and didn't get it yesterday. They are wasting a lot of energy.

Yesterday he said that focus in training had been on more long climbs and he is still in the lead of the tour. It is not over yet. He also have his team and if the wind favours several climbers in the high mountains he will have a clear advantage to Visma.

But fantastic Tour this far - hope we are in for some fun stages

 

[Medvind]

i dont get pogi/uae tactics

riding hard and launch pogi works perfectly vs weak opposition in the giro
but in the Tour they should exploit Pogi's explosivity much more and gamble less on hard long solo's/slog efforts, that only suits Vingegaard more. Just let the break go, control the break but not too hard, let them win the stage. And then use Pogi's 1km attack on the last climb. Vingegaard would lose each time. And Visma dont have the team they had the last couple of years so they can't make the race as hard as Vingegaard needs anyway.

Now UAE do it for him. Weird. Or is Pogi overconfident?

Pure speculation here. Pog likes to dominate, to show he is superior, which he often is. Winning over Vinge by using the kind of tactics you mention, and concede that he might be a slighter weaker climber in the mountains, might not just be Pog's cup of tea. He wants to actually beat Vinge - convincingly. Especially since his losses to Vinge have been a bit brutal. Will be interesting to see how he and the team will ride in the upcoming mountain stages.

 

[scribers]

For the pro-bonkers out there

Why would he bonk when he had the most help in the final, usual UAE/Pogi incompetence? I see no reason why he couldn't get what he needed.

Is he already bonking when losing ground close to the top of puy mary? Surely he must have when losing ground to Jonas.

Is it possible that cooking yourself completely feels about the same as bonking? So you start fueling as fast as you can, just in case?

You get something wrong as it is so dialed in. Simple as that. When you 30k solo you better have enough of everything you need before you go. He could have dropped a bottle or gels along the way and couldn’t get to them up the road

 

[Miha81]

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[Medvind]

I don't think there was anything wrong with the tactic. He could have killed the race yesterday, just like Vingegaard tried to do on Tourmalet last year, but they both failed because their opponent had improved and/or they themselves had worse legs than expected.

It didn't pay off, but it was worth the risk. In the end Pogačar is still in a much better position right now than Vingegaard was at this stage last year.

Was it worth the risk? They burned the team badly yesterday and Ayuso and Almedia are no longer a real threat in GC to the others, so can't really play that card.

Pog is in the lead, why was it so important to try to put 30-45 s to Vinge yesterday? Break Vinge's spirit? He could have waited with the attack to the penultimate climb and focus on bonus seconds on the climb and at the finish and take the win. Would have saved both him and the team some energy, his lead would have increased, at least Almedia would have been there in GC and momentum wouldn't have switched in Vinge's favour.

 

[theyoungest]

I don't think there was anything wrong with the tactic. He could have killed the race yesterday, just like Vingegaard tried to do on Tourmalet last year, but they both failed because their opponent had improved and/or they themselves had worse legs than expected.

It didn't pay off, but it was worth the risk. In the end Pogačar is still in a much better position right now than Vingegaard was at this stage last year.

The tactic is wrong because it doesn't use Pogacar's strength vis-a-vis Vingegaard. Rather it uses Vingegaard's strength, which is endurance after a long and difficult day at a high pace. For Pogi it would be better to keep it relatively calm and then a big explosion at the end. Which is probably what they're going to do from now on (if they're smart).

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Was it worth the risk? They burned the team badly yesterday and Ayuso and Almedia are no longer a real threat in GC to the others, so can't really play that card.

Pog is in the lead, why was it so important to try to put 30-45 s to Vinge yesterday? Break Vinge's spirit? He could have waited with the attack to the penultimate climb and focus on bonus seconds on the climb and at the finish and take the win. Would have saved both him and the team some energy, his lead would have increased, at least Almedia would have been there in GC and momentum wouldn't have switched in Vinge's favour.

I'm not sure they were ever going to use those cards after Pogačar proved the strongest on Galibier despite a headwind, and I definitely don't think he would benefit from his teammates potentially having/getting ideas of their own either. With two easy days in a row, the team will also have time to recover for the next hard stages.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The tactic is wrong because it doesn't use Pogacar's strength vis-a-vis Vingegaard. Rather it uses Vingegaard's strength, which is endurance after a long and difficult day at a high pace. For Pogi it would be better to keep it relatively calm and then a big explosion at the end. Which is probably what they're going to do from now on (if they're smart).

The fight between them yesterday is a sort we've never really seen before, so I don't think it makes sense to claim it was a given that it would fail. It wasn't far from being succesful either.

There's no doubt that they won't be attempting the same again now, but they don't really have to when they still have a comfortable lead.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Pogacar chatting with Roglic but they don’t have a good relationship...

Reminding Roglic on how Vingegaard and Visma treated him the last 3 seasons.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I don't know how can Vingegaard be so light. Contador has the same height of Vingegaard and he was something like 61.5 kg in his prime.

Probably removed his lungs since they found out Vingegaard doesn’t need them. Then if he had any pulmonary edema (which could be possible from then broken ribs and pneumothorax but which wasn’t reported) he’d get a diuretic.

 

[James M]

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[James M]

Doesn't look like he hit the ground. But he did have a damaged bike so he had to switch bikes.

Thats good news. Shame what happened to Roglic popped up on twitter.

 

[snipeheem]

Pogacar was just over confident on low fuel not the best but not the end of the world. He rode away with ease again and opened up the gap before the nutrition part came into play.

Thats good news. Shame what happened to Roglic popped up on twitter.

U really believe Pogi have any chance vs vingo on long climbs?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

U really believe Pogi have any chance vs vingo on long climbs?

Why wouldn't he have? No one is invincible all the time.

 

[theyoungest]

Pogacar was just over confident on low fuel not the best but not the end of the world. He rode away with ease again and opened up the gap before the nutrition part came into play.

When exactly did the nutrition part come into play, according to you? Because actually toward the top of the climb where Pogi attacked, Vingegaard had already almost closed the gap.

 

[James M]

U really believe Pogi have any chance vs vingo on long climbs?

I actually have zero doubts. And thats not coping even yesterday he rode away with ease opening the gap aswell. He just simply ran low on fuel, waited up cause he knew he would catch up duo to that like he said. Stupid mistake from them/him but didnt loose much its not the end of the world. He was confident you could say over confident and the fuel part is rookie mistake idk him or team but both I guess is at fault. Nvm he wouldnt go so far from the line if he didnt knew If not for the fuel mistake rest assure. Shouldnt lose your sight from the ball.

I would be more suprised if he wasnt able to ride away with ease not only getting the gap but increasing it alot again like he did then I would be worried.

 

[snipeheem]

I actually have zero doubts. And thats not coping even yesterday he rode away with ease opening the gap aswell. He just simply ran low on fuel, waited up cause he knew he would catch up duo to that like he said. Stupid mistake from them/him but didnt loose much its not the end of the world.

I would be more suprised if he wasnt able to ride away with ease again like he did.

U are give me a hope brother haha i hope u right

 

[James M]

U are give me a hope brother haha i hope u right

Nothing to worrie about besides the Giro fatigue thats always been the worrie.