Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cookster15]

He has certainly earned the right to express his opinion but I just checked Roger De Vlaeminck's record - he was no Pogacar.

De Vlaeminck won a lot of monuments and classics during Merckx's era but he wasn't a Grand Tour contender.

 

[yaf]

Thats called emotional damage.

"But then you have to look at who the opponents were. Where are the Italians? The Mosers, Gimondis and Bitossis that we had to ride against? Can you name one good Italian rider at the moment?"

Hhh..And he doesn't know that those guys would be like ganna,bettiol & bagioli for pog if they somehow appeared in 2024🤣 & if u put ganna&co in a juniors race they would always win. Its no coincidence de vlaeminck & his old friends won all monuments from the same era

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Thats called emotional damage.

Or not liking that style of showiness. Is that not a reasonable position to hold?

 

[James M]

Or not liking that style of showiness. Is that not a reasonable position to hold?

If he is upset how the boat celebrate a win by lifting his bike, Its like crying over how a fotball team celebrate a trophy win, find something else to cry about would be my tip and def emotional damage

You can find that reasonable to be upset about though, I do not.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If he is upset how the boat celebrate a win by lifting his bike, Its like crying over how a fotball team celebrate a trophy win, find something else to cry about would be my tip and def emotional damage

You can find that reasonable to be upset about though, I do not.

Please cite your evidence that anyone is crying or upset.

It's certainly not a gesture that I think reflects well on riders that do it.

 

[Cookster15]

I have no issue with riders lifting their bike up after a great victory if it was well earned - it adds to the significance of the achievement. In Pog’s case I think he earned that right on the occasions he celebrated that way. Do we expect him to be the Roger Federer of cycling? That would be an unreasonable expectation.

And offence is taken not given.

 

[Wyndbrook]

He has certainly earned the right to express his opinion but I just checked Roger De Vlaeminck's record - he was no Pogacar.

De Vlaeminck won a lot of monuments and classics during Merckx's era but he wasn't a Grand Tour contender.

I wasn't suggesting RdV was another greatest, he rode in the Edy era. He was, and is, a never back down or concede anything type of guy from tough beginnings.

His point that Pogi is great because he has no opposition is typical of him.
Or perhaps he is right and the current boys just need to get their fingers out.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Or not liking that style of showiness. Is that not a reasonable position to hold?

No when you are everything but classy. The only thing he does is criticizing this young generation.

 

[Salvarani]

And offence is taken not given.

Bingo.

Some people just take offence to anything. Their own ego.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Once again, who is mentioning offence? It is a matter of taste as to what type of celebration is considered classy, what showy, what arrogant.

The notion that such a preference shows 'emotional damage' or excessive ego is, I would suggest, untenable.

 

[Salvarani]

No when you are everything but classy. The only thing he does is criticizing this young generation.

You couldnt be more right.

 

[Salvarani]

Its ok to favor one rider over the other but he is angry with pog even for holding up his bike over the finish line in strade and lombardy i mean wt*😳

Absolutely hilarious.

It is a classic celebration. Been done so many times. It is all about ego and own motives, or if you simply dont like the rider. To say that is what he is doing. Just spiteful to say what he said, with no real evidence to support it. It just a false narrative with no merit. Just talking *** basically.

He should receive push back for such words.

 

[James M]

And offence is taken not given.

Exactly, emotional damage.

I have no issue with riders lifting their bike up after a great victory if it was well earned - it adds to the significance of the achievement. In Pog’s case I think he earned that right on the occasions he celebrated that way.

Yep didnt even think anyone did honestly no matter who and how they celebrated their win. Its like the next person might awell get mad that Phillipsen lifts both his hands after a win and not just one, just absolutely hilarious.

Translation he is mad that Pogacar is 3x better than anyone else, thats fine but thats everyone else but pogis problem and up to them, not him. Picture your a pro cyclist and win a major monument but cant celebrate cause some 70 year old might get mad that u show emotion, nah that aint it Find something else to be mad about, this is sport not a participation race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Once again, who is mentioning offence? It is a matter of taste as to what type of celebration is considered classy, what showy, what arrogant.

The notion that such a preference shows 'emotional damage' or excessive ego is, I would suggest, untenable.

But trying to defend a narcissistic person is a bit too much, don't you think? Someone who is constantly bashing this generation to be somewhat relevant shouldn't get so much attention, right? Or it is arrogant to lift a bike but saying stuff like "Pogacar would never dropped me" or "not even half of Merckx was", it isn't?
And I could add other things RdV said about MVP or Remco.

 

[scribers]

Who started the trend of lifting the bicycle celebration btw?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Who started the trend of lifting the bicycle celebration btw?

Maybe someone did before but I remember Rosa starting this trend in Pais Vasco

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But trying to defend a narcissistic person is a bit too much, don't you think? Someone who is constantly bashing this generation to be somewhat relevant shouldn't get so much attention, right? Or it is arrogant to lift a bike but saying stuff like "Pogacar would never dropped me" or "not even half of Merckx was", it isn't?
And I could add other things RdV said about MVP or Remco.

So now it is narcissistic to prefer a low key form of celebration?

No, I do not think it is never "too much" to allow somebody to hold one opinion over another on a matter that does not impinge on the essence of how others live their lives.

I'm still waiting for any reasoned argument as to how holding a preference on the matter amounts to 'excessive ego', or evidence of anyone crying or exhibiting 'emotional damage'.

 

[scribers]

De Vlaeminck: Boonen's Paris-Roubaix rivals were "third rate" | Cyclingnews.com

Absence of Cancellara made things straightforward

www.cyclingnews.com

Roger is frequently sought out by journalists for opinions because he frequently delivers unrealistic comparisons to things that didn’t happen ‘back in the day’.

 

[Peyroteo94]

So now it is narcissistic to prefer a low key form of celebration?

No, I do not think it is never "too much" to allow somebody to hold one opinion over another on a matter that does not impinge on the essence of how others live their lives.

I'm still waiting for any reasoned argument as to how holding a preference on the matter amounts to 'excessive ego', or evidence of anyone crying or exhibiting 'emotional damage'.

In what universe did I say he was narcissistic for saying lifting a bike as celebration is arrogant?

 

[scribers]

I’m willing to go on record as Roger is an absolute nut job

 

[yaf]

Once again, who is mentioning offence? It is a matter of taste as to what type of celebration is considered classy, what showy, what arrogant.

The notion that such a preference shows 'emotional damage' or excessive ego is, I would suggest, untenable.

How can raising ur bike on the finish line be related to arrogance? or How can remcos historic pose at the finish in the Olympics be considered arrogance or can be related to a bad thing? De vlaemink is just pogs hater & if remco was the most dominant one he wouldn't say that cause he is belgian.

 

[James M]

Or it is arrogant to lift a bike but saying stuff like "Pogacar would never dropped me" or "not even half of Merckx was", it isn't?
And I could add other things RdV said about MVP or Remco.

Hahahaha If he said that, even more emotional damage, borderline delusional. Man wouldnt even be whatever needless to say, goes without saying. He living and missing the past when riders drank wine during the races.

I’m willing to go on record as Roger is an absolute nut job

Seems rather sad the more ppl say indeed

 

[Salvarani]

I’m willing to go on record as Roger is an absolute nut job

Yes.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

How can raising ur bike on the finish line be related to arrogance? or How can remcos historic pose at the finish in the Olympics be considered arrogance?

In my opinion, easily. "Look at how far ahead of the others I am... Let's make a pose that is more likely to get on the front page of the papers than a simpler acknowledgement of victory... I'll do something pre-planned and self-promoting rather than what is related to relief and emotion at the time... "

If your opinion is different, that's fine, you're welcome to it.

 

[Salvarani]

Assumptions and own interpretations of what someone is doing is never right.

Fiction, instead of reality.

Spreading false narratives and defamination of someones character.