Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[James M]

Yes, Vingo needs to be noticeably better than Pogi in terms of sustained w/kg because in explosivity department he'll lose some seconds if both are equally good on climbs. The ITT is a chance for him if both are more or less evenly matched. Other than that he'll look for his chances on big HC climbs of course.

Nothing wrong with this but it also show how unlikely it is in reality, considering hes considarably worse than Pogi in high mountains now, w/kg, like considarably not a little bit which would be far better and interesting, but a gap we havent seen before in that department alone..In reality everything else is self-explanatory.

And while he was closer before looking at the past will always give you the wrong asnwer here, were in 2025 and im sure you have someone wanne believe Van Baarle can challenge Pog in RVV cause he did that one year, its barely relevant looking behind when the goal post has been moved this far.

In any case, hope for a round 5 with optimal prep for both, we really need a credible challenger...

This part I agree everyone else im sure too but untill he atleast has reached a level he has never been close to before uphill its just hope to me, but we can all hope indeed.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar won the 2024 Tour on w/kg so Vingegaard needs to improve a lot if he wants to win the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Especially because, even if vingegaard were to improve and reach pog's climbing level from last year, he still has to ride him off his wheel. Just so much more difficult than for pog, who can take seconds everywhere (unless we still believe pog can 'crack', which i always found more of a hail mary than a foolproof masterplan even when it worked). Maybe his best chance is to smoke the time trial up to peyregourdes, but even there the climb is not that steep or long, so im not sure how much time you can realistically gain.

In any case, hope for a round 5 with optimal prep for both, we really need a credible challenger...

Vingegaard's best chance to beat Pogacar is by doing better TTs than him

 

[Peyroteo94]

Bilbao is also saying Pogacar’s dominance may not be good to cycling.
It is clearly peloton is resigned to lose to Pogacar when he is racing. Of course I can understand this feeling but they can't lose a race before the race has even started.

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[pelotonIQ]

The consensus right now is that Pogacar is better than Vingegaard but out of all teams Vingegaard could be in, Team-Visma gives him the best chances of winning. They have a detail for marginal gains and are tactically creative coming up with ideas always having something up their sleeve to best Pogacar. They keep evertyhing secret including wether Vingegaard has improved or not and so who knows what happens come TdF.

 

[James M]

You don't lose 10s on explosivity if you're aerobically at the same level. The main gap last year was just threshold W/kg. That's why you'd see Vingegaard first respond to Pogacar's attack, keep the gap small, and then explode whenever he responded.

Like weve seen every single person who try to keep his pace does, they completely blow up,in every race..

For Tour and all races, its not like the last two kms he decided calculated to do it either, its deliberately from far out and seemingly whenever he wants, which is just as frightening thinking about it for everyone else.

 

[tobydawq]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

 

[James M]

Seemed easypeasy. Was never in any trouble/limit, hard to assess anything more than that really from this race when he never pushed all out(uphill). Now real season can begin.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

He is almost in the all time top10 in PCS. These classics will give him a lot of points and by the end of the season, he will be close to Anquetil. This at 27 years old. Absurd stuff!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Seemed easypeasy. Was never in any trouble/limit, hard to assess anything more than that really from this race when he never pushed all out(uphill). Now real season can begin.

His attack on Jebel Hafeet was incredible. I didn't realize how long it was until I saw the highlights. More than 30 seconds of sheer power out of the saddle against a 25-30 kph headwind.

 

[Tanakka]

The consensus right now is that Pogacar is better than Vingegaard but out of all teams Vingegaard could be in, Team-Visma gives him the best chances of winning. They have a detail for marginal gains and are tactically creative coming up with ideas always having something up their sleeve to best Pogacar. They keep evertyhing secret including wether Vingegaard has improved or not and so who knows what happens come TdF.

Yeah, perhaps, but a way bigger factor in the equation is supposed to be the simple fact that Pogi runs:
SB - Sanremo - E3 - GW - Flanders - Amstel - Wallone - LBL -

Vingegaard only does the same old one week 'stage races' that nobody really cares about - or at least don't matter that much once you already have won multiple TdF.
Volta ao Algarve - Paris-Nice - Volta Ciclista a Catalunya - Critérium du Dauphiné
All in preparation for the TdF.

That's not a matter of details, marginal gains; it's something as big as a whale in modern cycling.

 

[Rasto]

Tadej training on this new *** bike i dont like it maybe only for sanremo no?

 

[Tanakka]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

 

[Peyroteo94]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

Insane stuff! In 2 years he will surpass 269 weeks

 

[Red Rick]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

The ****'s a Jason Christie

 

[Peyroteo94]

The ****'s a Jason Christie

Yeah, had the same reaction. How did he lead this statistic?

 

[RedheadDane]

I think a much more important question is:
What have they got against the number 10?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think a much more important question is:
What have they got against the number 10?

That‘s just how it is when you‘ve got two people in 9th place.




Jason Christie was the 2016 NZ national champion, which was a very timely win for this statistic.

 

[Peyroteo94]

That‘s just how it is when you‘ve got two people in 9th place.




Jason Christie was the 2016 NZ national champion, which was a very timely win for this statistic.

And Simon Gerrans spent 7 weeks in the first place. Mind blowing!

 

[YavorD]

And Simon Gerrans spent 7 weeks in the first place. Mind blowing!

No, not really. That's the most expected thing actually.

Gerrans was a monster in TdU and TdU winner is always number 1 for at least 5 weeks.

 

[hayneplane]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

What are the numbers starting only from Pogacars neopro year with UAE.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No, not really. That's the most expected thing actually.

Gerrans was a monster in TdU and TdU winner is always number 1 for at least 5 weeks.

Yes but you have to count the previous year too. Pogacar is always leading because he has a lot of points in the year before

 

[YavorD]

Yes but you have to count the previous year too. Pogacar is always leading because he has a lot of points in the year before

But it should start from some point.
And starting from a point in the middle of the last decade makes it perfectly normal that Gerrans leads in the beginning.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But it should start from some point.
And starting from a point in the middle of the last decade makes it perfectly normal that Gerrans leads in the beginning.

Gerrans is such an overachiever.
2010-2018 was clearly the dark era of cycling. Era full of uphill sprinters like Martin, Gerrans, Valverde, Purito (hilly classics) and Sky dominating GTs with an ultra boring and defensive train.
Gerrans ended his career with 2 monuments wins, incredible how routes of hilly classics were tailormade for an uphill sprint

 

[YavorD]

Gerrans is such an overachiever.
2010-2018 was clearly the dark era of cycling. Era full of uphill sprinters like Martin, Gerrans, Valverde, Purito (hilly classics) and Sky dominating GTs with an ultra boring and defensive train.
Gerrand ended his career with 2 monuments wins, incredible how routes of hilly classics were tailormade for an uphill sprint

I don't know honestly.
Visma suffocating GTs in 2023 (and the Vuelta in particular) and Pogacar destroying every race in 2024 wasn't much fun either.

Honestly 2024 should be very low in terns of level of fun in the biggest races, lower than many of the years in the "dark era".

I do agree about Gerrans though.