Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

What a boring discussion. Almost as boring as a race where the winner attacks from 80km out.

He will attack from 79 km out. He will give us one more km in the bunch!

 

[Peyroteo94]

According Sivakov, PR reconnaissance was planned. Pogi told him in January.

"He is the most impressive cyclist I have ever met" - Tadej Pogacar could win any race on the calendar insists Pavel Sivakov as Paris-Roubaix rumours intensify

The rumours continue to swirl that Tadej Pogacar could be set for a Paris-Roubaix debut in 2025, following his recent reconnaissance of the cobbles. One man who knows the Slovenian better than most, i...

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[Netserk]

What a poseur.

 

[Salvarani]

He will attack from 79 km out. He will hive us on km in the bunch!

It takes a great rider to try and attack from far out. People were desperate for a rider like him to arrive and he did. Very exciting rider to watch. One of a kind. The GOAT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It takes a great rider to try and attack from far out. People were desperate for a rider like him to arrive and he did. Very exciting rider to watch. One of a kind. The GOAT.

People love a good underdog but with Pogacar there is no room for underdogs to be successful. Like Bardet and Van Eetvelt said, it is a race for second.

 

[James M]

The notion that it's generally more difficult to dominate in a bigger sample of professional riders is pretty straighforward to understand. Take the largest out of 300 random numbers and the largest out of 3000. The level required to dominate the larger group is higher with a very high probability. National champions hardly ever become world champions etc. If Pogacar had to rival only guys from Slovenia and Italy (for instance) his dominance would be absurd even in 2021-2023. Not saying that he's greater than Merckx (Eddy's achievement advantage is too obvious for now) but this factor definitely accounts for something. Merckx is the GOAT but IMO Pogacar has the best level ever.

Exactly and only logical. Very good post and you're obviously right. We measure the best by w/kg, FTP, climbing numbers, aerobic engine, power-to-weight, how people manage their lactic acid, etc, etc, etc.
In general, everything that actually is measurable in performance numbers is what defines best. (It's not fair, but it's factual, and describes best and literally the objective meaning of what it is.) It isnt based on alternative things which are impossible to define and are infact undisputable.

What defines greatness, which is entirely different, is wins. It's not hard to separate the two really. And if some people don't differentiate the two for whatever reason, who cares. It doesn't change anything and still two different things and it's just facts. And you don't have to be a fan or whatever of him to say it, it's common sense. He currently is the best to ever sit on a bike by every measurable performance number there is, and it isn't even close.

His 24 season is also the single greatest season of all time btw. But its to early but it also account for something taking into account the era indeed, hes still only 26 and alot more to do first, lets see. All that topic is subjective, best however is facts and measurable, its easy stuff.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Exactly and only logical. Very good post and you're obviously right. We measure the best by w/kg, FTP, climbing numbers, aerobic engine, power-to-weight, how people manage their lactic acid, etc, etc, etc.
In general, everything that actually is measurable in performance numbers is what defines best. (It's not fair, but it's factual, and describes best and literally the objective meaning of what it is.) It isnt based on alternative things which are impossible to define and are infact undisputable.

What defines greatness, which is entirely different, is wins. It's not hard to separate the two really. And if some people don't differentiate the two for whatever reason, who cares. It doesn't change anything and still two different things and it's just facts. And you don't have to be a fan or whatever of him to say it, it's common sense. He currently is the best to ever sit on a bike by every measurable performance number there is, and it isn't even close.

His 24 season is also the single greatest season of all time btw. But its to early but it also account for something taking into account the era indeed, hes still only 26 and alot more to do first, lets see. All that topic is subjective, best however is facts and measurable, its easy stuff.

You can't compare numbers between Pogacar and Merckx. Technology plays a relevant role in favouring Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

How will he approach SB this weekend then, try for another 81km solo?

79km solo.

 

[Netserk]

What defines greatness, which is entirely different, is wins. It's not hard to separate the two really. And if some people don't differentiate the two for whatever reason, who cares. It doesn't change anything and still two different things and it's just facts. And you don't have to be a fan or whatever of him to say it, it's common sense.

And what does the "G" stand for in GOAT?

It's a distinction mostly ignored by his fans in this thread.

 

[Pozzovivo]

And what does the "G" stand for in GOAT?

It's a distinction mostly ignored by his fans in this thread.

Who said greatness stands for wins or any other objective metric?

One can make narrowly bound statements like the "most winning at X race or combination of races" or "highest recorded (estimated) w/kg" on X climb etc. The rest is just wordsoup of personal judgement.

 

[Peyroteo94]

His team for SB looks okay.
Pogacar
Wellens
Del Toro
Grobschartner
Novak
Baroncini
Vermeersch

 

[Red Rick]

Lads are we gonna start the GOAT wars? Cause then I'm gonna have to dust off my bag of old tricks including but not limited to

- H2H
- Surface homogenization
- Weak era
- Slam count
- Career Inflation era
- Pretty backhand
- Mury Goat.

 

[Salvarani]

His team for SB looks okay.
Pogacar
Wellens
Del Toro
Grobschartner
Novak
Baroncini
Vermeersch

Good team. A couple will pace the beginning.

Wellens/Del Toro to launch him.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Good team. A couple will pace the beginning.

Wellens/Del Toro to launch him.

They just need to control 140km

 

[Peyroteo94]

He is spending a lot of his training in Cipressa. He is obsessed.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He is spending a lot of his training in Cipressa. He is obsessed.

It's like 40 km from his home to San Remo. He can go there regularly. Let's see if he can finally get this monkey off his back. MSR could be the hardest race to win in his career.

 

[Berniece]

It's like 40 km from his home to San Remo. He can go there regularly. Let's see if he can finally get this monkey off his back. MSR could be the hardest race to win in his career.

He just needs to try a different approach. Don't think he can drop everyone on Poggio, try to go from Cipressa, they don't expect it.

 

[Lequack]

He is spending a lot of his training in Cipressa. He is obsessed.

Tadej Pogacar rides with Philippe Gilbert's son
"Tadej Pogacar recently filled Alan with happiness. Despite his 14th birthday, the young cycling enthusiast already has a solid knowledge of the environment, inherited from his father, the Belgian legend Philippe Gilbert. On Instagram, he surprised everyone by sharing photos of his training alongside the Slovenian champion and his girlfriend Urska zigart, arousing a lot of interest on social media."

Cyclisme. Route - S'entraîner avec Pogacar... demandez au fils de Philippe Gilbert

Tadej Pogacar a récemment comblé de bonheur Alan... le fils de Philippe Gilbert. Malgré ses 14 ans, le jeune passionné de cycli

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[Peyroteo94]

It's like 40 km from his home to San Remo. He can go there regularly. Let's see if he can finally get this monkey off his back. MSR could be the hardest race to win in his career.

I know but he is almost there every single day. He was training behind a moto yesterday there.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Statistically speaking, there should be hundreds if not thousands of better writers than Shakespeare today, so he can't be in contention for GOAT.

Well. It is often assumed that, statistically speaking, there should be better writers than Shakespeare today. However, this assumption does not necessarily hold statistically.

Shakespeare emerged from a historical pool of well over 20-30 billion people who have lived since writing was invented. This is far greater than today's population of 8 billion. The key question is ofc how many of these had the opportunity to write at a high level. The talent pool at any given moment is larger today than at any point in history, but not necessarily when considering all of human history combined.

Also, exceptional talent is not evenly or randomly distributed. Assuming that more people automatically lead to more genius writes relies on a linear probability model, which may not apply to very very rare abilities.

Society, technology, and cultural values also influence creative expression, meaning that the conditions that produced Shakespeare may not be as common or relevant today. Beyond statistics, Shakespeare’s legacy is not just about writing skill but also about impact. Many modern writers may be superior, but cultural and historical factors determine how they are perceived today (as much less great).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tadej Pogacar rides with Philippe Gilbert's son
"Tadej Pogacar recently filled Alan with happiness. Despite his 14th birthday, the young cycling enthusiast already has a solid knowledge of the environment, inherited from his father, the Belgian legend Philippe Gilbert. On Instagram, he surprised everyone by sharing photos of his training alongside the Slovenian champion and his girlfriend Urska zigart, arousing a lot of interest on social media."

Cyclisme. Route - S'entraîner avec Pogacar... demandez au fils de Philippe Gilbert

Tadej Pogacar a récemment comblé de bonheur Alan... le fils de Philippe Gilbert. Malgré ses 14 ans, le jeune passionné de cycli

www.cyclismactu.net

People's champion. I still remember when Cav was in the Tour and broke Merckx's record and his son was more excited to see Pogacar.

 

[Tim Cahill]

A knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave; a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service; and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pander, and the son and heir of a mongrel b*tch; one whom I will beat into clamorous whining if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

Nobody does it better, before or since, they call him the Eddy Merckx of English Literature, the GOAT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well. It is often assumed that, statistically speaking, there should be better writers than Shakespeare today. However, this assumption does not necessarily hold statistically.

Shakespeare emerged from a historical pool of well over 20-30 billion people who have lived since writing was invented. This is far greater than today's population of 8 billion. The key question is ofc how many of these had the opportunity to write at a high level. The talent pool at any given moment is larger today than at any point in history, but not necessarily when considering all of human history combined.

Also, exceptional talent is not evenly or randomly distributed. Assuming that more people automatically lead to more genius writes relies on a linear probability model, which may not apply to very very rare abilities.

Society, technology, and cultural values also influence creative expression, meaning that the conditions that produced Shakespeare may not be as common or relevant today. Beyond statistics, Shakespeare’s legacy is not just about writing skill but also about impact. Many modern writers may be superior, but cultural and historical factors determine how they are perceived today (as much less great).

Fernando Pessoa is the best writer ever. I invite everyone to read his poems. He was fluent in English too.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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[Rob5091]

In 10 years time, Pogi will still be doing MSR and trying to win it. It will be his nemesis and long into old age he'll still be going on about how he should and could have won, but ....