Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

I thought he would wait until Keutenberg. Actually believe he was a bit suprised that he and Ala got away so easy on Gulperberg. Mabye he didn't plan to go so early but when the situation devolped as it did he went for it.

His team was riding tactically for that moment it seems. Ala went as he was hoping to stay away with pogi.

 

[Jan the Man]

A reality check - it is not particularly surprising giving his racing. Chapeau to Remco and Mathias. He should skip Fleche and ride more conservatively in Liege. Even if his form
Is on a slide he will be tough for remco whose form is going upwards to drop. Looking forward to Liege to see a good batte

 

[Cycling111]

He is cooked after flanders p-r double

PR leaves everyone cooked. All the rides who do PR say that's the next week after PR is the worst of the season

Last year, Van der Poel didn't move at Amstel and said he was exhausted.

We'll see how he recovers for Liège, but the positive thing for him is that I don't think he'll be any worse than today.

He should be better for Liège, but he should skip Flecha.
It's a 1 km effort, but it's 250 km of competition. It's a race he's won, and with his palamares one more or less FW it doesn't mean he should risk Liège.

 

[Medvind]

His team was riding tactically for that moment it seems. Ala went as he was hoping to stay away with pogi.

Maybe tactics changed a bit when they lost Wellens and Narvaez. McNulty only one left before Gulperberg, so given the situation it made sense he tried something on Gulperberg. But maybe he thought he would bring a long a couple of strong riders to cooperate with and than attack again later. Alone with Ala was never promising.

 

[Cycling111]

His team was riding tactically for that moment it seems. Ala went as he was hoping to stay away with pogi.

In the interview, he said he wouldn't attack from afar today.
If Alaphilippe hadn't attacked, it seems he would´ve waited.

Alaphilippe isn't the same as before; he should have let him go.

It also didn't help that the UAE only had McNulty in the last 60 km. He must have thought he had to react to attacks.

 

[Peyroteo94]

PR leaves everyone cooked. All the rides who do PR say that's the next week after PR is the worst of the season

Last year, Van der Poel didn't move at Amstel and said he was exhausted.

We'll see how he recovers for Liège, but the positive thing for him is that I don't think he'll be any worse than today.

He should be better for Liège, but he should skip Flecha.
It's a 1 km effort, but it's 250 km of competition. It's a race he's won, and with his palamares one more or less FW it doesn't mean he should risk Liège.

LBL is a better race for him. It is almost his kindergarten.

 

[Cycling111]

He will regret going to Paris - Roubaix. Hell, he will regret focusing on classics instead of climbing in July.

No, he likes the Classics.

I prefer a rider like that to Froome, but it doesn't matter what you or I think, what matters is what he thinks. And Pogacar likes racing the Classics.

If he were to concentrate all year at altitude and only race in July, like Vignegaard is doing this year, he'd probably lose motivation faster than Sagan and would be retired at 30.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He will regret going to Paris - Roubaix. Hell, he will regret focusing on classics instead of climbing in July.

Maybe. There is always this possibility but he is chasing GOAT status. We know if he wants to just focus on one type of races (hilly classics or GTs) he wins them.

 

[scribers]

PR leaves everyone cooked. All the rides who do PR say that's the next week after PR is the worst of the season

Last year, Van der Poel didn't move at Amstel and said he was exhausted.

We'll see how he recovers for Liège, but the positive thing for him is that I don't think he'll be any worse than today.

He should be better for Liège, but he should skip Flecha.
It's a 1 km effort, but it's 250 km of competition. It's a race he's won, and with his palamares one more or less FW it doesn't mean he should risk Liège.

I think this is a sensible take. Perhaps his tank just has P-R in it and is not as shallow as it appears. He has to recognize this and race with brains. He’s been around long enough to know this by now

 

[Gratemans]

He should have skipped AGR and Fleche or just the Ardennes altogether, after going for PR instead.

And there is absolutely no way he should be doing the Vuelta this season.

To your first point: he should next time, but I believe it was worth a shot, just to see if it could be done and how it physically impacts him.

To your second point: I completely agree.

 

[Poursuivant]

How are people panicking like this after he lost a race in a foto finish lmao

Literally same thing happened in the Tour when Vingegaard brought him back and beat him and Pogacar ended up obliterating him for the rest of the Tour.

It’s not ideal but it’s hardly catastrophic.

 

[Salvarani]

This is 100% fatigue. He has to race LBL smart and turn his attention to July

He needs to be in his best shape to beat Remco in LBL and he is not atm. Still very good, but not where he needs to be to beat Remco on a course like LBL.

I think Remco will win given what was seen today. Remco will only get better from these races.

While Pog is unlikely to get much better, only worse relative to himself and towards Remco. Still he will probably put up a valient effort and likely finish 2nd in a week from now, if he partcipiates. Remco should favor his own chance a lot in a week from now. He been biding his time and is very much prepared. Pog will be hoping and pray a bit for LBL now, imo. I dont think he will be beating Remco by just being stronger. Given the circumstances, it will be the opposite.

It was ambitious to try to go for MSR, Ronde, PR and LBL but it is one-two weeks too much this time.

He should not regret his PR attempt, but probably should have been given a choice. Either he was going for PR or the Ardennes, not both. Easy in hindsight, but he will have learned it by now.

And it should be a big warning to not race classics and later Tour... to then do Vuelta? Would be insane.

Probably he should have called his spring after PR or only done LBL, where I still think he would have faced a tough task.

Like I said yesterday. It is too much to go at MVDP in the cobbles, Remco in Ardennes and then Vinge in the Tour.

The risk is he will walk away with little, in terms of wins.

 

[Salvarani]

To your first point: he should next time, but I believe it was worth a shot, just to see if it could be done and how it physically impacts him.

To your second point: I completely agree.

Not mad at the attempt either, but he should know he is probably facing a losing battle in LBL now. He will put in a valient effort I believe though, if he participates.

 

[Medvind]

LBL is a better race for him. It is almost his kindergarten.

It is, but I must confess I'm a bit worried about the form after another superhard race.
He will probably do FW and I'm not sure that is the best preparation for LBL.

Anyhow, LBL should be more competitive, especially if Remco's form is on a positive trajectory.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He needs to be in his best shape to beat Remco in LBL and he is not atm. Still very good, but not where he needs to be to beat Remco on a course like LBL.

I think Remco will win given what was seen today. Remco will only get better from these races.

While Pog is unlikely to get much better, only worse relative to himself and towards Remco. Still he will probably put up a valient effort and likely finish 2nd in a week from now, if he partcipiates. Remco should favor his own chance a lot in a week from now. He been biding his time and is very much prepared. Pog will be hoping and pray a bit for LBL now, imo. I dont think he will be beating Remco by just being stronger. Given the circumstances, it will be the opposite.

It was ambitious to try to go for MSR, Ronde, PR and LBL but it is one-two weeks too much this time.

He should not regret his PR attempt, but probably should have been given a choice. Either he was going for PR or the Ardenns, not both. Easy in hindsight, but he will have learned it by now.

And it should be a big warning to not race classics and later Tour... to then do Vuelta? Would be insane.

Probably he should have called his spring after PR or only done LBL, where I still think he would have faced a tough task.

Like I said yesterday. It is too much to go at MVDP in the cobbles, Remco in Ardennes and then Vinge in the Tour.

The risk is he will walk away with little, in terms of wins.

He doesn't need to be at his best to beat Remco. He can miss 2-3 % and still win

 

[Salvarani]

He doesn't need to be at his best to beat Remco. He can miss 2-3 % and still win

Not in LBL.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not in LBL.

I believe he can. He will not be dropped, at least I would be very surprised.

 

[Cycling111]

He needs to be in his best shape to beat Remco in LBL and he is not atm. Still very good, but not where he needs to be to beat Remco on a course like LBL.

I think Remco will win given what was seen today. Remco will only get better from these races.

While Pog is unlikely to get much better, only worse relative to himself and towards Remco. Still he will probably put up a valient effort and likely finish 2nd in a week from now, if he partcipiates. Remco should favor his own chance a lot in a week from now. He been biding his time and is very much prepared. Pog will be hoping and pray a bit for LBL now, imo. I dont think he will be beating Remco by just being stronger. Given the circumstances, it will be the opposite.

It was ambitious to try to go for MSR, Ronde, PR and LBL but it is one-two weeks too much this time.

He should not regret his PR attempt, but probably should have been given a choice. Either he was going for PR or the Ardenns, not both. Easy in hindsight, but he will have learned it by now.

And it should be a big warning to not race classics and later Tour... to then do Vuelta? Would be insane.

Probably he should have called his spring after PR or only done LBL, where I still think he would have faced a tough task.

Like I said yesterday. It is too much to go at MVDP in the cobbles, Remco in Ardennes and then Vinge in the Tour.

The risk is he will walk away with little, in terms of wins.

I read similar comments on Lioran's day....

I've mentioned it in other threads; people have underestimated what Pogacar did in PR.

PR's week is incredibly hard. Even though he isn´t at 100% due to accumulated fatigue, in Liege he shouldn't be fatigued as today.

 

[scribers]

The least remco could do is give pogi a gel for pulling skeljmose into the mix

 

[jmdirt]

Its not so easy to predict how their form will go between now and LBL.

Let me play "maybe":
Maybe TP will be a bit fresher next weekend.
Maybe RE will be less fresh after his first races.
Maybe they're both freaks and it s hard to predict their form.

 

[Sciatic]

Skjelmose is almost beating Ayuso or Pidcock in the most overrated cyclist in the world. I think he won't even finish inside the top10 tomorrow.

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[scribers]

That was a brutal post by peyroteo

 

[QueenStagiaire]

FW is normally a hard training ride with a sprint in the end. I don‘t think he needs to skip it. Don‘t panic. Stick to the plan.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Aged like wine

🙄

Mate I know, I look like a clown right now. I should be more cautious next time.

 

[Medvind]

I believe he can. He will not be dropped, at least I would be very surprised.

He should probably ride a bit different next Sunday. Trying to go solo already from La Redoute might not be the best strategy given how many hard races he has in his legs and against a Remco that is improving. If he plays it a bit more cool and waits to Roche-aux-Faucons until he attacks, I think he takes it.