Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

I doubt that Jonas will be on 2024 Pog level.

I believe he will but Pogacar will be better too so Vingegaard needs to improve significantly his numbers.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Suspicions about Adam are confirmed. Today in problems again.
If he doesn't recover his shape for the Tour, and neither does Sivakov, that will be a problem for Pogacar in the mountains.

And his brother Simon is stronger in this Giro. Good news for Vingegaard.

What recovery? Don't you see the difference between recovery and ceilling? He will recover for sure however his level dropped significantly compared to 2 years ago.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Shots fired !


Vingegaard 2 days ago :

" I think I'm hungrier than ever. "

“My values already look promising. It seems that I have taken another small step and that I am better than last year and the year before. “

"Of course I looked at how he performed in the spring. Besides, his spring doesn't mean he'll be that dominant in the Tour."

Jonas Vingegaard baalt dat hij Van Aerts ritzege niet zag door harde Tour-voorbereiding: "Waarden zijn veelbelovend" | sporza

Hoe zou het nog zijn met Jonas Vingegaard? Wel, in een persmoment vertelde de grote uitdager van Tadej Pogacar voor de Tour de France hoe zijn trainingsarbeid verloopt. De Deen werkt in het zuiden van Spanje hard aan zijn topvorm. "Het lijkt erop dat ik beter ben dan vorig jaar én het jaar...

sporza.be

 

[Peyroteo94]

Shots fired !


Vingegaard 2 days ago :

" I think I'm hungrier than ever. "

“My values already look promising. It seems that I have taken another small step and that I am better than last year and the year before. “

"Of course I looked at how he performed in the spring. Besides, his spring doesn't mean he'll be that dominant in the Tour."

Jonas Vingegaard baalt dat hij Van Aerts ritzege niet zag door harde Tour-voorbereiding: "Waarden zijn veelbelovend" | sporza

Hoe zou het nog zijn met Jonas Vingegaard? Wel, in een persmoment vertelde de grote uitdager van Tadej Pogacar voor de Tour de France hoe zijn trainingsarbeid verloopt. De Deen werkt in het zuiden van Spanje hard aan zijn topvorm. "Het lijkt erop dat ik beter ben dan vorig jaar én het jaar...

sporza.be

What do you want him to say? This is an obvious answer. He can't say he will not challenge Pogacar

 

[Peyroteo94]

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[Mayomaniac]

How many coffees did they have together? More than Juan!

 

[Peyroteo94]

How many coffees did they have together? More than Juan!

He doesn't like Ayuso but he is very polite to all.

 

[Mayomaniac]

He doesn't like Ayuso but he is very polite to all.

I mean, who on the team besides Matxim actually likes Ayuso?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I mean, who on the team besides Matxim actually likes Ayuso?

Even us. I don't find many Ayuso fans here.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I mean, who on the team besides Matxim actually likes Ayuso?

 

[Mayomaniac]

Even us. I don't find many Ayuso fans here.

I actually liked him in the u23 ranks and for some time during his first year as a pro, but his attitude rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Netserk]

Agree. I too recall hearing similar from Visma before the 2024 tour. Then of course when Vingegaard was losing time every day in the 3rd week Visma started referring to his April crash.

Do you have an example of that from before the race where his April crash wasn't mentioned? Your recollection does not match mine of what was said by the team.

 

[yaf2]

Is he a sociopath or what? Its all strange he does. He was also doing flying papers the other day in an interview with del toro i mean wth🤔

 

[Froome]

I mean, who on the team besides Matxim actually likes Ayuso?

Pogacar. They are friends. They were training together in monaco.

 

[Cookster15]

Do you have an example of that from before the race where his April crash wasn't mentioned? Your recollection does not match mine of what was said by the team.

Yes. There were a few stories of Visma's claims for Vingegaard's level for the 2024 Tour circulating back then. Here is an example dated 13 May 2024 which matches my recollection:

Jonas Vingegaard "won't go to Tour de France unless he is 100 per cent"

Jonas Vingegaard is training outside again after his crash last month, but his participation in this year's Tour France is far from certain

www.stickybottle.com

his team has said he would only line up for the French Grand Tour if he was at his best

Then on his actual watts on PdB:

"It is very accurate" - Jonas Vingegaard confirms that unbelievable W/Kg on Plateau de Beille are true

Stage 15 of the Tour de France had almost 5000 meters of climbing and was raced at a very high pace from start to finish. Hence, after climbing Plateau de Beille in less than 40 minutes, a whole 3:44...

cyclinguptodate.com

It was estimated that Pogacar pushed 6.98W/Kg for the whole climb, unseen numbers in the world of cycling.
Pogacar's time up the climb itself was aided by the monstrous work of Matteo Jorgenson and Jonas Vingegaard. The latter also put in his career-best performance up the ascent, said to have averaged 6.85W/Kg for over 40 minutes.

6.85W/Kg for over 40 minutes for Vingegaard. Career best and over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record. Not bad after what he endured and recovered from after his April crash at Tour of Basque.

So Vingegaard's peak level was exactly as Visma were claiming. Except Pogacar was better. Then due to lack of base-load training the third week took its toll on his usual huge recovery. Still a great performance from Jonas, especially his Nice TT after three weeks of trying to hang with Pogacar.

 

[Netserk]

Yes. There were a few stories of Visma's claims for Vingegaard's level for the 2024 Tour circulating back then. Here is an example dated 13 May 2024 which matches my recollection:

I don't think that's an example of that. There are two quotes in the article about Vingegaard:

“After such a fall we have to be careful and see how his recovery progresses day by day. We will have to wait a little longer to get a better idea of where he stands now,” Visma-Lease a Bike chief, Richard Plugge, told Relevo
“There are two scenarios: one where Jonas goes to the Tour and another where he doesn’t. It all depends on his recovery. But if he is not 100 per cent, we will not go to the Tour to defend his title.

Neither of them are big talk about best ever shape nor saying that he was putting out his best numbers ever before the 2024 Tour.

all the big talk from visma about jonas' fabled "best ever" shape is nothing but talk. almeida roasted him easily in algarve on that climb. i recall similar rhetoric in 2024 "i'm putting out my best numbers ever"

Agree. I too recall hearing similar from Visma before the 2024 tour. Then of course when Vingegaard was losing time every day in the 3rd week Visma started referring to his April crash.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes. There were a few stories of Visma's claims for Vingegaard's level for the 2024 Tour circulating back then. Here is an example dated 13 May 2024 which matches my recollection:

Jonas Vingegaard "won't go to Tour de France unless he is 100 per cent"

Jonas Vingegaard is training outside again after his crash last month, but his participation in this year's Tour France is far from certain

www.stickybottle.com

Then on his actual watts on PdB:

"It is very accurate" - Jonas Vingegaard confirms that unbelievable W/Kg on Plateau de Beille are true

Stage 15 of the Tour de France had almost 5000 meters of climbing and was raced at a very high pace from start to finish. Hence, after climbing Plateau de Beille in less than 40 minutes, a whole 3:44...

cyclinguptodate.com

6.85W/Kg for over 40 minutes for Vingegaard. Career best and over 2 minutes faster than Pantani's record. Not bad after what he endured and recovered from after his April crash at Tour of Basque.

So Vingegaard's peak level was exactly as Visma were claiming. Except Pogacar was better. Then due to lack of base-load training the third week took its toll on his usual huge recovery. Still a great performance from Jonas, especially his Nice TT after three weeks of trying to hang with Pogacar.

I also think Vingegaard was close to his best in the Tour and his suboptimal preparation was responsible for his drop in performance in week 3.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But Vingegaard and Pogacar have been improving year after year so it is very reasonable to say Pogacar will need to improve his numbers because Vingegaard will improve. History shows that.