Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

I don't know man. UAE today with better riders than EF looked like complete buffoons on the bottom of Finestre. I hope Yates recovers in one month because he was getting worse and worse with every day in the Giro. If not Almeida needs to be at his best level ever or Pogi will need to wheelsuck Visma's train the whole Tour.

He already won a Tour doing that. He just need one thing to have success. Follow Vingegaard, if so he will win, if not he will lose.

 

[AmRacer]

He already won a Tour doing that. He just need one thing to have success. Follow Vingegaard, if so he will win, if not he will lose.

Pogi will just ride away from Jonas and helpers.

 

[Cycling111]

For some reason McNulty, Vine are not in the Tour team since 2022

I've always had doubts about Almeida.
Last year, Pogacar simply didn't need him. This year, if he does, I hope Almeida thinks more about winning the Tour with Pogacar than about his chances of a podium finish.

I don't like him going to Switzerland. Last year went well for them, but this year several mountain domestiques aren't in shape, and Almeida has to be important.
I don't like him thinking about winning Switzerland while Jorgenson and Kuss only think about winning the Tour with Vingegaard.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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He seems very bulky in the legs.

 

[P4rthen0n]

The thing is that Simon today did a performance miles ahead of anything that Almeida and Yates have done this year.

This is true.
Simon Yates did Finestre faster than Almeida did Thyon 2000 (Tour de Romandie), and Finestre is an harder climb and it's at the end of the 3rd week of the Giro.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi will just ride away from Jonas and helpers.

I hope so. Can't tolerate another Visma sweep like 2023

 

[Peyroteo94]

I've always had doubts about Almeida.
Last year, Pogacar simply didn't need him. This year, if he does, I hope Almeida thinks more about winning the Tour with Pogacar than about his chances of a podium finish.

I don't like him going to Switzerland. Last year went well for them, but this year several mountain domestiques aren't in shape, and Almeida has to be important.
I don't like him thinking about winning Switzerland while Jorgenson and Kuss only think about winning the Tour with Vingegaard.

Almeida is loyal. Last year he didn't need to go all out to help Pogacar. He was working in Galibier and Pla d'Adet. In PdB, Visma worked and after Pogacar's unbelievable performance, the race was in the bag.

 

[Cycling111]

Would need someone to be at or near the same level as Pogi and Jonas for a Galibier style tactic to work again. And I don't see that atm.

What I'll say though is that Almeida will have to be at the top of his game. Cause if there's someone who should be marking Jorgenson or Yates, it's him.

Almeida is thinking about winning Switzerland, Jorgenson has been thinking about being a Tour de France domestique for weeks.
I don't like that.

The same old problem in the UAE: egos.

McNulty finished in the top 10 of the Giro without any work in two weeks. Van Aert, who has a better palmares than McNulty, worked harder than him in 21 days .

Almeida has already won this year. Given the problems Adam and Sivakov have shown, they should have Almeida focused solely on the Tour, not winning in Switzerland.
The comparison with Jorgenson is inevitable. Jorgenson won Paris-Nice, and he could consider winning Switzerland, but his focus is on the Tour.

Last year Almeida and Yates went to Switzerland, but last year Yates wasn't in this shape, and Sivakov and Narvaez haven't been strong in the mountains.

 

[Cycling111]

Adam climbed Finestre 6:30 minutes slower than his brother

They still have time to reconsider and take Majka to TDF. Majka may be too old to do the Giro-Tour, but he has experience and could be the first domestique.

Adam's trend has been catastrophic since the Vuelta, I doubt he'll turn arournd this situation in a month when it's been a trend for months.

 

[Monsi]

Almeida is thinking about winning Switzerland, Jorgenson has been thinking about being a Tour de France domestique for weeks.
I don't like that.

The same old problem in the UAE: egos.

McNulty finished in the top 10 of the Giro without any work in two weeks. Van Aert, who has a better palmares than McNulty, worked harder than him in 21 days .

Almeida has already won this year. Given the problems Adam and Sivakov have shown, they should have Almeida focused solely on the Tour, not winning in Switzerland.
The comparison with Jorgenson is inevitable. Jorgenson won Paris-Nice, and he could consider winning Switzerland, but his focus is on the Tour.

Last year Almeida and Yates went to Switzerland, but last year Yates wasn't in this shape, and Sivakov and Narvaez haven't been strong in the mountains.

I am not going to read too much into Almeida wanting to win Suisse. Go ahead. Win it. As long as he is on point at the Tour, then it's fine. I don't see a problem with it. Chill out.

 

[Cycling111]

Almeida is loyal. Last year he didn't need to go all out to help Pogacar. He was working in Galibier and Pla d'Adet. In PdB, Visma worked and after Pogacar's unbelievable performance, the race was in the bag.

Almeida already had problems with Remco at Quick Step and in the UAE in his early days.
They simply didn't need him much last year, which is why he finished fourth.
If a domestique works, he doesn't finish fourth; he was lucky that Pogacar was far superior.
Almeida doesn't have a history of being a super domestique.

I want to see if Almeida has to sacrifice his podium finish or fourth place to see if he can lose 5 minutes by working hard. We've never seen him in a situation like this, arriving tired from being a domestique.

 

[Fos]

Exaggerated conclusions for the Tour, especially considering that although Visma played well for once in this Giro, it was their rivals who were clearly playing to lose.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Adam climbed Finestre 6:30 minutes slower than his brother

They still have time to reconsider and take Majka to TDF. Majka may be too old to do the Giro-Tour, but he has experience and could be the first domestique.

Adam's trend has been catastrophic since the Vuelta, I doubt he'll turn arournd this situation in a month when it's been a trend for months.

Yup. Like I told you, his problem will not be recovery but his low ceilling right now.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Almeida already had problems with Remco at Quick Step and in the UAE in his early days.
They simply didn't need him much last year, which is why he finished fourth.
If a domestique works, he doesn't finish fourth; he was lucky that Pogacar was far superior.
Almeida doesn't have a history of being a super domestique.

Had problems with Remco? He lost time because of an injured Remco who abandoned the race after 10 days.

 

[Cycling111]

Exaggerated conclusions for the Tour, especially considering that although Visma played well for once in this Giro, it was their rivals who were clearly playing to lose.

It wasn't just that. Simon was far superior to Adam in Finestre and throughout the Giro. They'll both have the same role in the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It wasn't just that. Simon was far superior to Adam in Finestre and throughout the Giro. They'll both have the same role in the Tour.

If Almeida doesn't crash, Pogacar will have support in the mountains

 

[Peyroteo94]

Everyone loves Pogacar. Only that spanish arrogant is unconfortable with Pogacar.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/i-wouldnt-mind-going-down-in-history-as-one-of-tadejs-regular-domestiques-florian-vermeersch-on-pogacar

 

[Peyroteo94]

Narvaez is training in Ecuador right now.

 

[Cycling111]

If Almeida doesn't crash, Pogacar will have support in the mountains

Seeing this Simon, I have no doubt that Kuss will fly in the Tour.
And we already saw Jorgenson at Paris-Nice.

The biggest unknown among the Visma climbers is Kuss.

Adam is in poor shape, and Sivakov is an unknown in the mountains this year.

Adam's situation does seem worrying to me.
I don't think I'm exaggerating. Adam went to the Giro as co-leader and at no point has he been close to someone like Derek Gee. And far from his brother. Majka has been climbing better than him. Honestly, if he's in poor shape, I almost prefer Majka, even though he's 36. I think an Adam Yates in poor shape is less helpful.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Seeing this Simon, I have no doubt that Kuss will fly in the Tour.
And we already saw Jorgenson at Paris-Nice.

The biggest unknown among the Visma climbers is Kuss.

Adam is in poor shape, and Sivakov is an unknown in the mountains this year.

Adam's situation does seem worrying to me.
I don't think I'm exaggerating. Adam went to the Giro as co-leader and at no point has he been close to someone like Derek Gee. And far from his brother. Majka has been climbing better than him. Honestly, if he's in poor shape, I almost prefer Majka, even though he's 36. I think an Adam Yates in poor shape is less helpful.

Yates is better than Majka.

 

[Cycling111]

Yates is better than Majka.

Yes, but now his shape is worse.
They shouldn't take names to the Tour, just riders who are in shape.

Froome was better than them ;and obviously Froome shouldn't go if he were part of UAE.
They should take those who are in shape to the Tour.

 

[AmRacer]

Adam climbed Finestre 6:30 minutes slower than his brother

They still have time to reconsider and take Majka to TDF. Majka may be too old to do the Giro-Tour, but he has experience and could be the first domestique.

Adam's trend has been catastrophic since the Vuelta, I doubt he'll turn arournd this situation in a month when it's been a trend for months.

Good time for someone who doesn't need to climb his best

 

[AmRacer]

Yes, but now his shape is worse.
They shouldn't take names to the Tour, just riders who are in shape.

Froome was better than them ; They should take those who are in shape to the Tour.

You shouldn't look at the current form, they will decide soon enough

 

[Cycling111]

Good time for someone who doesn't need to climb his best

On the contrary, the Tour's climbing pace is superior, and Adam hasn't climbed well in the Giro, even when he had to be a domestique. Yesterday and today, Majka was superior to him.
Adam will have to climb at the level of his brother, Kuss, and Jorgenson in the Tour.

The fact that he couldn't keep up with Majka's pace is worrying. How will he help on the Tour with the pace of Simon, Jorgenson and Kuss?

 

[Fos]

It wasn't just that. Simon was far superior to Adam in Finestre and throughout the Giro. They'll both have the same role in the Tour.

Everything can change in a month and a half. Last year, he didn't do anything until June, and then he won in Switzerland.

It's more likely that he'll have a jump in performance than that his brother will maintain his current form for so long.