Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[rafa92]

This is what I expected before the Dauphiné, I am a little bit skeptical

Me too, keep in mind 30 seconds would mean less than 1 sec/km, while at the dauphine he lost 1.5 sec/km

 

[BubbaChuck]

forget pog,whatta ride by almeida.domestique of the year,lol.

 

[rafa92]

forget pog,whatta ride by almeida.domestique of the year,lol.

Did not expect almeida to be so good on such a parcours, all the team has been good so far, except for pollit

 

[Cycling111]

Tomorrow is a big day, the first GC test

I don't think they've improved the material in three weeks.
Let's hope he doesn't lose as much as he did in Dauphiné, because there were 17km and tomorrow 33km.

 

[rafa92]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942618543637553346

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2800 VAM for 2 minutes is insane

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1942618543637553346

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2800 VAM for 2 minutes is insane

Look to the speed. ROFL

 

[Peyroteo94]

yes clearly cooked but super strong, to me is a good sign that pog was able to push him so much on a super short climb. Vingegaard has clearly worked a lot on explosivity but today was a super good sign for pog's level

Vingegaard always was punchy. It's incredible how he isn't better in classics.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

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2800 VAM for 2 minutes is insane

Comical VAM but OTOH 2 minutes is super-short. Probably 20-30% of power was anaerobic.

 

[Cycling111]

Vingegaard always was punchy. It's incredible how he isn't better in classics.

Visma in general has a problem with races that exceed 250 kilometers.

 

[Shortcut]

Almeida just showed briliance today. If he could get better at positioning he would be amazing leadout for MSR.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Comical VAM but OTOH 2 minutes is super-short. Probably 20-30% of power was anaerobic.

For sure, 50% is around 60-75s.

 

[rafa92]

Vingegaard always was punchy. It's incredible how he isn't better in classics.

There's one big problem, vingegaard has to prepare specifically for an entire year for one single race to reach this level. In march and april he would get dropped like a stone by pogacar, even on short climbs. This is the biggest difference in terms of talent between the two

 

[Cycling111]

There's one big problem, vingegaard has to prepare specifically for an entire year for one single race to reach this level. In march and april he would get dropped like a stone by pogacar, even on short climbs. This is the biggest difference in terms of talent between the two

That, and the long mileage. Vingegaard still hasn't scored a podium in a race over 250 km.
And more kilometers the race has, Pogacar has more differential. Today 170km, Lombardia 250-60

By the way, they'll still think Remco would´ve been better at La Redoute than Pogacar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

That, and the long mileage. Vingegaard still hasn't scored a podium in a race over 250 km.
And more kilometers the race has, Pogacar has more differential. Today 170km, Lombardia 250-60

By the way, they'll still think Remco would´ve been better at La Redoute than Pogacar.

250 km+ distance is a question mark for Vingegaard indeed. Pogacar is a monster in 6+ hours classics rides (so are MVP and Evenepoel). I'm not saying he has big problems with that (the sample is very small and his form in those races was far from his best) but he isn't proven yet.

 

[hayneplane]

Both Pogi and Jonas were very good today to drop an MVDP in prime form on a sub 1km climb.

I would need to rewatch to decide if Pog had also pretty much hit his limit or if he knocked it off after getting the affirmative answer that he had been able to dislodge Jonas and thought the gap wasn’t big enough to sustain solo to the finish.

 

[rafa92]

Both Pogi and Jonas were very good today to drop an MVDP in prime form on a sub 1km climb.

I would need to rewatch to decide if Pog had also pretty much hit his limit or if he knocked it off after getting the affirmative answer that he had been able to dislodge Jonas and thought the gap wasn’t big enough to sustain solo to the finish.

He hit his limit

 

[Cycling111]

He'll have to do the time trial wearing the mountain jersey. Between that and the ITT material , I have a bad feeling.

 

[Cycling111]

250 km+ distance is a question mark for Vingegaard indeed. Pogacar is a monster in 6+ hours classics rides (so are MVP and Evenepoel). I'm not saying he has big problems with that (the sample is very small and his form in those races was far from his best) but he isn't proven yet.

It's no mystery. Vingegaard has made six Monuments, all of them rather mediocre.

 

[red_flanders]

He'll have to do the time trial wearing the mountain jersey. Between that and the ITT material , I have a bad feeling.

I don't. He looks incredibly strong.

 

[scribers]

Just watching now. I think mission accomplished. Loosen, soften, or lose MVP prior to the finish. Go for the stage win. You could tell from almeida this was the objective. Was never to gain GC time. A yellow would have been a bonus. It’s looking like Vingo to gain the yellow and visma will have to defend it, which is perfect.

 

[Jack_89]

My stage GC tomorrow to say it was a good day:

Remco
Jonas +20
Pogacar +40

In that interval I will already be satisfied

 

[Peyroteo94]

There's one big problem, vingegaard has to prepare specifically for an entire year for one single race to reach this level. In march and april he would get dropped like a stone by pogacar, even on short climbs. This is the biggest difference in terms of talent between the two

Pogacar was training long climbs like we saw in the Dauphine. Some here in the forum questioned his level because Vingegaard was "more impressive" in the first stage.

 

[Cycling111]

I don't. He looks incredibly strong.

In Dauphiné he was very strong and the time trial was very mediocre.

 

[Red Rick]

Comical VAM but OTOH 2 minutes is super-short. Probably 20-30% of power was anaerobic.

Montjuic for reference. And this is not a "Roglic coulda woulda shoulda buddha" comment, it's just an actual reference for what sub 2 minute climbing look like. There was a chicane in this hill that does not help the VAM.

		Rider	Time	W/kg	Speed	Vam	Index
1		P.Primož Roglič	0:01:49	9.27	26.09	2807	60 9
2		E.Egan Bernal	0:01:51	9.08	25.62	2757	57 9
3		J.Juan Ayuso	''	9.08	25.62	2757	57 9
4		L.Laurens De Plus	0:01:52	8.99	25.39	2732	55 9
5		L.Lennert Van Eetvelt	''	8.99	25.39	2732	55 9
6		D.Darren van Bekkum	0:01:53	8.90	25.17	2708	54 9
7		W.William Junior Lecerf	0:01:56	8.63	24.52	2638	50 9
8		G.Giulio Pellizzari	0:01:57	8.55	24.31	2615	48 9
9		F.Frank van den Broek	0:01:59	8.39	23.90	2571	46 9
10		Q.Quinn Simmons	0:02:01	8.23	23.50	2529	43 9

 

[Lequack]

100th win today, wow! Just amazing what he has achieved so far.

This was his first pro win, stage 2 of Volta ao Algarve 2019, not that long ago. An uphill finish when he really came to the forefront. Includes his interview at the end of the video.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTi2NFXGhWA