Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

I would love to see Matteo gaining 2' on both Vingegaard and Pogacar. Pogacar would surpass him on Hautacam and then catch him in the MTT.

And maybe they create a fictitious conflict with Vingegaard's wife.
I say fictitious because Vingegaard recovers time from Jorgenson in only one or two high finishes.

He's far behind them in the high mountains.
Jorgenson has never demonstrated Roglic's climbing ability. And on the Granon day, it wasn't arrogance, it was respect for his rivals. Arrogance would have been letting Roglic go because he had fallen, and because he was sure he would easily beat him.

 

[rafa92]

I would love to see Matteo gaining 2' on both Vingegaard and Pogacar. Pogacar would surpass him on Hautacam and then catch him in the MTT.

yes but let's hope he doesn't start covering moves too far from the finish

 

[Cycling111]

All these accounts appear to work for Visma, just like LR. I remember that in 2022, LR said they had no connection to Jumbo, even though it was obvious. LOL

There are desperately selling Jorgenson's option.

I sense a lot of desperation in this. All these accounts seem synchronized by Visma to launch this idea.

In PDB when Jorgenson pulled with all his force, Pogacar hadn't even passed zone 2.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944490803847725287

View: https://x.com/laflammerouge16/status/1944490803847725287

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think Pogi knows Vingegaard is the man to beat. Vingegaard had a bad ITT but other than that he showed zero signs of actual weakness so far, Vingo closed EVERY gap on any hill so far.


There is zero doubt in Pogi head that Vingegaard is the number 1 challenger by a landfield.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Jorgenson and Vingegaard try the old Jumbo Visma 1-2, Pogacar then drops the old 0-100 and has them breathing in the smoke from the burning rubber on his tyres. Vamos Teddy!

 

[Peyroteo94]

yes but let's hope he doesn't start covering moves too far from the finish

In this type of terrain, I believe UAE is strong enough. I'm more worried about stages 14, 18, 19

 

[hayneplane]

Not worried at all about tomorrow just excited. It promises to be the kind of chaotic racing that Tadej thrives on.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Pogi knows Vingegaard is the man to beat. Vingegaard had a bad ITT but other than that he showed zero signs of actual weakness so far, Vingo closed EVERY gap on any hill so far.


There is zero doubt in Pogi head that Vingegaard is the number 1 challenger by a landfield.

Of course. We already saw on stage 4. In 300m, he put 11" on everyone bar Vingegaard.
If Pogacar goes all out on most MTF, everyone will be 2' behind (at least).

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Vingegaard was second in 2021, far behind Pogacar, but Jorgenson was eighth in 2024, far behind Mikel Landa.
And in Dauphiné, Vingegaard let Roglic beat him. Jogenson didn't even have the capacity to finish fifth.

Since when is Jorgenson a climber who doesn't lose 2 minutes on each high finish to Pogacar?

That's fair enough and hopefully the answer to when is not going to be 14 July 2025.

Same, but have to believe that a) Pogacar is a lot smarter now and b) he is miles better than Jorgenson anyways, so it wont be a problem.

I believe very much in b) and hope that a) is also true.

 

[Oldman]

Of course. We already saw on stage 4. In 300m, he put 11" on everyone bar Vingegaard.
If Pogacar goes all out on most MTF, everyone will be 2' behind (at least).

I'm not sure where he'd choose to go all out. The first hill of consequence is still 50km from the finish. I guess if everyone gives up that's not big work for Tadej going into the rest day but I'd suspect it may come later. If JV were smart (?) they'd send Matteo up the road with any promising escapers; particularly if UAE is thin from defending. That still would only be as smart as Jonas' ability to hang on to Pogacar which has been thinly tested to date. IMO Tadej would torment him for awhile to have a companion that might work. If he doesn't he needs to drop him cold and TT up to whomever wants to contest the finish.
These aren't close to high altitude so aggression will need to be serious to get separation.
If JV wants to tempo everyone to death any gaps would come late and it'd be a disappointing stage for us fans.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Now he wants to win the Tour for Almeida.

Joking aside, that was pretty nice.

Tadej Pogacar: "Tomorrow offers a lot of possibilities" - Tour de France 2025

"We were expecting a stage like this one in Châteauroux. The heat made it harder, and having Mathieu Van der Poel up the road didn’t help either. It turned out

www.letour.fr

 

[scribers]

As terrible as tomorrow is, the Hautacam the day after the rest day is a major problem. And the ITT the day after that pose a significant challenge. Ideally tomorrow is somehow easier on pogi. For visma they really need Jorg to bear the brunt of tomorrow and save most of the squad for rhe haitacam

 

[scribers]

Seeing mention of headwind Monday. This will impact things significantly in favor of uae vs rogue breaks.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Bora and Soudal would help chase Jorgenson since it’d be a threat on the podium. Pogacar also has 10-15 minute leeway he can give Jorgenson if not more. Pogacar and Vingegaard are going to be like 2010 Andy vs Contador x1000 against the field. The only threat is with Almeida out, Pogacar being alone when Jorgenson ramps up the pace for an attack like stage 15 last year. Then with Pogacar potentially being isolated deep into the mountain stages and being overconfident leading to a 2022 repeat. The one big plus for Pogacar is if he’s that much superior to Vingegaard and gains time tomorrow and stage 12, Vingegaard might mentally crack on stage 13 or 14 and lose more time like Pogacar in 2023.

 

[yaf2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944604790815625485

View: https://x.com/lucasaganronald/status/1944604790815625485?t=GnGQJaV-z6ine9cb1WwyhQ&s=19

Boss flexing ahead of the big showdown 💪

 

[Rob5091]

Poor Pogi has n't even got time to shave anymore ...
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/th...tain-stage-after-losing-wingman-joao-almeida/

I propose a Go Fund Me to raise money for a battery shaver for the GOAT. Maybe Politt can hold a mirror for him as they cruise through the neutral zone!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Bora and Soudal would help chase Jorgenson since it’d be a threat on the podium.

This aspect has been completely ignored so far. It's not Pogacar vs Visma, the GC is still not set and there are other teams that will also ride against Jorgenson if he attacks. Unless Visma manages to eliminate all doms of other teams beforehand (it's also possible).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Bora and Soudal would help chase Jorgenson since it’d be a threat on the podium. Pogacar also has 10-15 minute leeway he can give Jorgenson if not more. Pogacar and Vingegaard are going to be like 2010 Andy vs Contador x1000 against the field. The only threat is with Almeida out, Pogacar being alone when Jorgenson ramps up the pace for an attack like stage 15 last year. Then with Pogacar potentially being isolated deep into the mountain stages and being overconfident leading to a 2022 repeat. The one big plus for Pogacar is if he’s that much superior to Vingegaard and gains time tomorrow and stage 12, Vingegaard might mentally crack on stage 13 or 14 and lose more time like Pogacar in 2023.

The problem is Soudal and Bora are very weak in the mountains.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944604790815625485

View: https://x.com/lucasaganronald/status/1944604790815625485?t=GnGQJaV-z6ine9cb1WwyhQ&s=19

Boss flexing ahead of the big showdown 💪

I would like to know his weight. No more baby fat for sure. Between 2020-2023 he was probably riding the Tour 2 kg heavier.

 

[Cycling111]

The worst part is that he won't be able to control the stages with Adam and he'll have to attack from further back.

More fatigue for the Vuelta. Until now, he seemed a bit more conservative, perhaps because of that.

 

[Shortcut]

I am just shocked how recently bias is working on you guys. Jorgenson gaining 5-10 mins on Pog.. other teams doesn't exist???? Like Red Bull, Quickstep would allow that. Also even if Adam is not in the best shape i can still see him being good enough to make same good tempo (like keeping Jorgensin under 2min).Sivakov, Adam and Soler will show you why they are here. There is no way they came here just for nothing, i am 100% sure Pogacar choose them and he knows why. Pollit, Wellens, Narvaez and Almeida (even if he is out) showed already they can be good teammates, now is on other two. Also if somehow Kuss, Yates, Jorgenson and Vingegard isolate Pogacar he will just go-like he did in Dauphine. Maybe Vingegard cann follow but he is the only one.

 

[Red Rick]

Jorgenson alone never works, everyone gets that. But what you can get is like Jorgenson/Evenepoel/Lipowitz style fuga bidone and in that case Visma needs to gamble it and force Pogacar out of his golden cage.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Jorgenson alone never works, everyone gets that. But what you can get is like Jorgenson/Evenepoel/Lipowitz style fuga bidone and in that case Visma needs to gamble it and force Pogacar out of his golden cage.

Even Remco can gain 5 minutes on Pogacar. It won't matter.

 

[Red Rick]

Even Remco can gain 5 minutes on Pogacar. It won't matter.

Great. Let's try nothing, cause then you can't fail. Exciting and interesting.

 

[No Excuses]

yes but let's hope he doesn't start covering moves too far from the finish

It's important to gain 2 - 4 minutes on jorge as early as possible. With Almeida they would have achieved this after hautacam. Despite loosing Almeida i would still make this race hard tomorrow and try to gain time on Jorge. Hopefully they can put pogis overall lead to 2:30 or even 3 minutes. If Matteo manages to go in the break, UAE has to control anyway.