Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

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[dr.eve]

Yep today shows he is also human. After a crash & 2 hard mountain days its understandable to lose a few percentages of form but him missing the win today tells me now he wont give any big mountain to breakaway including la plagne as he wants to break his 6 stage wins of last year

Wow just wow... Pogacar beating Vingegaard with ease but Pogi sneezed so he's simply human. That's it ladies and gentlemen, we got ourselves a match, Pogacar can be beaten.

Oh wait that was a dream... If he really is human he's like Hercules. God among men.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pogi is such an one dimensional rivalry.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yep today shows he is also human. After a crash & 2 hard mountain days its understandable to lose a few percentages of form but him missing the win today tells me now he wont give any big mountain to breakaway including la plagne as he wants to break his 6 stage wins of last year

Visma will think they might have a chance so they will go crazy on stages 16 and 18.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The dilemma for Visma now is should we work all day to secure Pogi another stage win or should we instead send team members in breaks to possibly secure a stage win and hence to do nothing GC orientated. Unless UAE brings it back and Pogi goes for it and in such case as plan B try to win a stage with Jonas.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Visma will think they might have a chance so they will go crazy on stages 16 and 18.

And Pogi should be at 100% by then. Mont Ventoux being unipuerto I expect a watt/kg annihilation

 

[Peyroteo94]

The dilemma for Visma now is should we work all day to secure Pogi another stage win or should we instead send team members in breaks to possibly secure a stage win and hence to do nothing GC orientated. Unless UAE brings it back and Pogi goes for it and in such case as plan B try to win a stage with Jonas.

They should put riders in the break and try stage wins. However, I also think this strategy can help Vingegaard because he can bridge to them after a decent leadout from his team.

 

[CyclistAbi]

They should put riders in the break and try stage wins. However, I also think this strategy can help Vingegaard because he can bridge to them after a decent leadout from his team.

Maybe last year not any more. Rogla has a slim chance of bridging and still that is a long shot, Jonas or Lipo would never be allowed, on where somebody like Lipo might get some slack, gain a second or two, on where that is a no go for Jonas. Unless i guess Jonas finds that 10% extra, doubt it. We'll see.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe last year not any more. Rogla has a slim chance of bridging and still that is a long shot, Jonas or Lipo would never be allowed, on where somebody like Lipo might get some slack, gain a second or two, on where that is a no go for Jonas. Unless i guess Jonas finds that 10% extra, doubt it. We'll see.

Pogacar is in another world right now, of course it's hard to believe they will crack Pogacar but we never know in the Tour.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Jorg is the bait. How do they play it? Let UAE tear their wheels off trying to keep him out of the break? Invest energy keeping him close and drafting Vingo into a launch place?

Jorgenson isn’t any kind of bait, he’s 32’09” back. He’d need a huge Oscar Pereiro break to catch back up.

 

[SHAD0W93]

That theory is shattered by Simon's victory the other day. They did nothing to prevent it.

I read on X that they made an exception because he's Adam's brother . I think UAE will care more about he won the Giro against them. LOL
I don't think they have anything against Kuss that they don't have against Simon.

UAE were trying for a little while but didn’t have the team to control it so then just started hoping he wouldn’t win.

 

[scribers]

Jorgenson isn’t any kind of bait, he’s 32’09” back. He’d need a huge Oscar Pereiro break to catch back up.

I think if they can get pogi/uae wasting energy on Jorg. I don’t think it matters how far back Jorg is. Bad blood

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think if they can get pogi/uae wasting energy on Jorg. I don’t think it matters how far back Jorg is. Bad blood

Nothing extinguishes bad blood more then beating said rider by 45 plus minutes and his leader by 6 plus minutes.

 

[scribers]

They going to let him win a stage?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

They going to let him win a stage?

I think they are more interested in their own stage wins, then in stopping Jorgenson from getting one. They want to win the mountain stages I think, so wasting energy on chasing Jorgenson doesn't seem like the way to go for me.

 

[Oldman]

Visma will think they might have a chance so they will go crazy on stages 16 and 18.

If they go crazy on 16 it'll be over for them. By the way; how will that work?

 

[Oldman]

I think if they can get pogi/uae wasting energy on Jorg. I don’t think it matters how far back Jorg is. Bad blood

I really doubt Pogacar is that vested in any rider to trash his own strategy. Matteo will have to have someone dangerous with him to prompt action by UAE. Not sure who or how they created the "bad blood" scenario unless you're talking about guys fighting to get feed bottles. Hardly serious, is it?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm starting to think that UAE didn't want to catch the breakaway at all costs once Arensman was in the lead (Pogi's buddy, not blacklisted).

 

[veganrob]

I think they are more interested in their own stage wins, then in stopping Jorgenson from getting one. They want to win the mountain stages I think, so wasting energy on chasing Jorgenson doesn't seem like the way to go for me.

Ignoring Jorgenson is really more insulting now.

 

[Shortcut]

Ignoring Jorgenson is really more insulting now.

No it is not. Jorgenson acted like tough guy first week and was pretty cynical after they waited him on stage where Tadej crashed. I think Tadej is in incredible form right now and just wants to play with Jonas and Jorgenson. I also think he wants to skip Vuelta but don't want to let Jonas win it.

 

[yaf2]

Visma will think they might have a chance so they will go crazy on stages 16 and 18.

The pbm is in 2025 his level in his off days are equal to jonas' normal days. If they are to win this tour they need another col de la loze crack from him which i can't see it coming

 

[Rou]

Visma will think they might have a chance so they will go crazy on stages 16 and 18.

After Stage 4 and Stage 10 when Jonas followed Tadej on these short hills people were losing their minds.
Pog crashed and we all panicked.
Next 2 days - total beatdown.
Visma know who the boss is and the difference in level.
I expect Pog launching 2-3 kms into the base of Ventoux.

 

[AdonisP91]

I expect Pog launching 2-3 kms into the base of Ventoux.

Not a chance. No one really mentioned it yet but after Hautacam right as he pulled up the camera came to him and he said something to the effect “whew, was too much”, then the camera panned away. Pog also looked extremely tired in the cool down.

Then in the post race interview he said Navarez didn’t get the joke and launched earlier than he expected so he just committed to it. Naturally it worked and Pog cracked everyone.

But at the TT he said he was starting to crack at the last 1 km but he pushed through. In stage 14 he just defended and didn’t attack like he usually does.

Pog is tired. Good news he can soft pedal today, rest up tomorrow, and be fresh for week 3 but he isn’t going to repeat the Hautacam attack. He might attack with 5km to go but not 10+ km. Too risky at this point and he doesn’t need to.

 

[Rou]

Not a chance. No one really mentioned it yet but after Hautacam right as he pulled up the camera came to him and he said something to the effect “whew, was too much”, then the camera panned away. Pog also looked extremely tired in the cool down.

Then in the post race interview he said Navarez didn’t get the joke and launched earlier than he expected so he just committed to it. Naturally it worked and Pog cracked everyone.

But at the TT he said he was starting to crack at the last 1 km but he pushed through. In stage 14 he just defended and didn’t attack like he usually does.

Pog is tired. Good news he can soft pedal today, rest up tomorrow, and be fresh for week 3 but he isn’t going to repeat the Hautacam attack. He might attack with 5km to go but not 10+ km. Too risky at this point and he doesn’t need to.

He said: 'Too much flash'' referencing to the cameras flashing him. It was planned from Narvaez to do the sprint leadout.
He wanted to humiliate Jonas on Combloux - done
He wanted to humiliate Jonas on Hautacam - done
He wants to humiliate Jonas on Ventoux - remaining
He wants to humiliate Jonas on Loze - remaining

 

[Peyroteo94]

This hard pace of Visma will work unfortunately, not for the Tour but for the Vuelta. Pogacar is mentally tired.