Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

The problem is if that Roglic will ride in a leading group and explode at the 250-kilometer against Ben Healy. A more likely scenario, while for that, they'll have to sacrifice a rider with better qualities than him for a 270-kilometer race.

We speak like fans here, with preferences. But a national coach has to do everything possible for his team to win will consider it crazy to have Pogacar in a rear group and that he doesn´t dispute the victory by giving preference to a rider with fewer victories than him in long races.

Roglic has been unlucky to be paired with someone undisputed, just as Van Aert was with Remco. A national coach is someone who has to choose the most reliable option to win, not based on desires.

Besides, Slovenia isn't Belgium; when Pogacar retires, they're less likely to have a chance. They're a team that has to try to seize the moment and go all out, like Slovakia did with Sagan. Sagan didn't have Roglic, but Sagan shouldn't have been sacrificed if there had been another Slovakian at the top level, but with less chances of winning. It's crazy to have Pogacar in a minor team like Slovenia and waste a year thinking about tactics with other riders, even if it's Roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I open Worlds TT thread, Rogla, then go into Pogi thread, Rogla.

Guys.

 

[Berniece]

Should be the last domestique, and thats all. You don't go into a race with Pogacar on this course, with that team, with multiple leaders. Everything for the king.

Roglic prepared for it and went to altitude for it. He’s no domestique

 

[Netserk]

Recall how Pogi made fun of Rogla in the Tour last year? What has he done recently to make Rogla want to work for him?

 

[Red Rick]

I honestly think the best way is simply to have Roglic do a single pull to set up Pogacar's attack and then just spend the next hour paying homage to Simon Gerrans wheelsucking the chasing group.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Roglic prepared for it and went to altitude for it. He’s no domestique

If you actually read my posts, you'd understand I think the same. That doesnt change the fact that Roglic obviously should be a domestique.

 

[Netserk]

I honestly think the best way is simply to have Roglic do a single pull to set up Pogacar's attack and then just spend the next hour paying homage to Simon Gerrans wheelsucking the chasing group.

You forgot the all-important Kuss role of hanging around, looking menacing. Without doing anything.

 

[Valv.Piti]

You forgot the all-important Kuss role of hanging around, looking menacing. Without doing anything.

A Libertine classic.

What RR is describing is the role Roglic SHOULD play

 

[Berniece]

If you actually read my posts, you'd understand I think the same. That doesnt change the fact that Roglic obviously should be a domestique.

I disagree, for the same reason that next year WVA will also not be a domestique

 

[Valv.Piti]

I disagree, for the same reason that next year WVA will also not be a domestique

Comical to compare Remco to Pogacar. But aight

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla will mostly be there, that is his role, the rest the road will tell. It's not like team Slovenia can dictate on how other nations ride. In general harder other nations ride more likely for Pogi to attack on Kigali, more tactical games other nations play, more likely Rogla to suck some breakaway. Softer they all ride more likely for team Slovenia to result to numbers game near the end of the race.

So basically what should somebody do is rather pointless, as it depends on the circumstances. Each team member will cover some attacks, that is almost a certainty, beyond that it will be the rumble in the jungle.

 

[Berniece]

Comical to compare Remco to Pogacar. But aight

Indeed, Pogacar doesn't even have Olympic gold

 

[CyclistAbi]

For example Wout not going, that fact alone IMHO severely affects team Belgium, or for example a failure to bring Jonas. Here i have to hand it to Slovenian selector, bringing both. That is basically half the job done already. The other half reserved for cyclists on the road.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Maybe Rogla has a creative interpretation of what it means to be the last dom? He doesn't take orders, only suggestions.

There's no obligation to do the WC, it's not a normal WT race. Rogla doesn't have to listen to the national coach. He said: "Free role or I'm not there" and the coach decided it's better to have him than not.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I mean even if Rogla said i am mostly going to holidays, who else are you going to take, as we need to take 9. So all cyclists in Slovenia are basically going and that is that.

On a more serious note of course Rogla will try to win it too, it's rainbow jersey after all, and besides Pogi won't mind if Rogla takes it, Pogi can take the TT one this year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Anyone thinking Roglic should have a similar role (similar leadership) to Pogacar is mentally dishonest. Pogacar's palmares is by far better in classics compared to Roglic and any other cyclist bar MVP.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Anyone thinking Roglic should have a similar role (similar leadership) to Pogacar is mentally dishonest. Pogacar's palmares is by far better in classics compared to Roglic and any other cyclist bar MVP.

Meh.

 

[Berniece]

Anyone thinking Roglic should have a similar role (similar leadership) to Pogacar is mentally dishonest. Pogacar's palmares is by far better in classics compared to Roglic and any other cyclist bar MVP.

No one is saying Roglic should have the same role. He should have a free role. The rest of the national team can ride for Pogacar.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No one is saying Roglic should have the same role. He should have a free role. The rest of the national team can ride for Pogacar.

I mean maybe Rogla will ride for Pogi, maybe it will be the other way around. It all depends on the circumstances that is the luxury we have.

 

[Berniece]

I mean maybe Rogla will ride for Pogi, maybe it will be the other way around. It all depends on the circumstances that is the luxury we have.

It definitely won't be the other way around. There isn't any situation where Pogacar goes to the front for Roglic and help him.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It definitely won't be the other way around. There isn't any situation where Pogacar goes to the front for Roglic and help him.

There is: if Rogla asks Pogi.

 

[Peyroteo94]

There's no obligation to do the WC, it's not a normal WT race. Rogla doesn't have to listen to the national coach. He said: "Free role or I'm not there" and the coach decided it's better to have him than not.

Roglic will probably be cooked after 180 km and will do another half pull for Pogacar

 

[Peyroteo94]

Recall how Pogi made fun of Rogla in the Tour last year? What has he done recently to make Rogla want to work for him?

Yeah, Roglic really worked as a domestique a lot of times in his career...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just 238 km, 4500 vertical meters. Are they trying to not put really hard climbs for other riders to challenge Pogacar?
I still think they don't have a chance.

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[hayneplane]

I honestly think the best way is simply to have Roglic do a single pull to set up Pogacar's attack and then just spend the next hour paying homage to Simon Gerrans wheelsucking the chasing group.

He can take a leaf out of the Sepp Kuss book of luxury domestique work by floating around in the lead group looking serene whilst staying away from the front not doing any actual work for his leader.