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The Tour's time trial was definitely more difficult. Tomorrow's first two climbs are on a highway. It's a section that favors specialists. The final cobblestone section is the tough one, but in a 50-minute time trial, I don't think it will be enough.
For the RR, he's definitely the favorite. I don't see how Roglic can win a world championship with 15 cobbles sections. If he already struggles in long races, a 270km race with 15 cobbles climbs is too tough.
They're comparing Kimihurura with Bosberg. It's not the most difficult cobbles, but many won't feel comfortable going over it 15 times.
Watching the videos these days, I've changed my mind about Vingegaard. He was right not to go; he wouldn't have been comfortable on so many cobbled sections.
I think once someone told him what it was like he made the decision.
For the RR, he's definitely the favorite. I don't see how Roglic can win a world championship with 15 cobbles sections. If he already struggles in long races, a 270km race with 15 cobbles climbs is too tough.
They're comparing Kimihurura with Bosberg. It's not the most difficult cobbles, but many won't feel comfortable going over it 15 times.
Watching the videos these days, I've changed my mind about Vingegaard. He was right not to go; he wouldn't have been comfortable on so many cobbled sections.
I think once someone told him what it was like he made the decision.
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Wow, this made me realize he won the Tour at 21 years and 365 days.
Time to post this legendary moment:
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Have you seen the difference in profile compared to the Monaco ITT? Aside from the fact that it was stage 21, the climb in Monaco was large and consistent; tomorrow's climbs are easy except for the last one. It benefits the specialists.
And above all, there aren't any long descents like in Monaco. Remco lost time on the descents; tomorrow's are easier.
In fact, I think Ganna should have tried to go. I think they overestimated the toughness of the time trial.
On the other hand, I think for the road race, someone like Pedersen would have done better than some climbers. 15 cobbled steps will be tough for many climbers. Pedersen, once he's over Mont Kigali, would have done better than others.
And Vingegaard would definitely not have done anything here. It doesn't seem like the best route to overcome his poor results in one-day races.
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First: Remco went harder than Pogacar in the first part of the TT and still lost time. Pogacar gained 36 seconds in 11.5 km (flat sections of 2.5 km and 9 km of descent) on Remco. Are you telling me Remco lost 4"/km on the descent? Of course not. Pogacar just went softer on the climbs to murder that flat section and descent (and cruised in the final 4/5 km) There is no way, Pogacar gained 36 seconds just by riding better on corners. No way. He won that time almost due to power.
We saw a similar pattern in the GdL 2024, he completely destroyed Remco in the valley.
When Pogacar knows he is the best by far he just goes at 90-95% on climbs before nuking the flat/rolling section. LBL 2025 is also a good example of that.
Second: Remco is not going to gain a lot of time on straight descents because they start and finish very fastly.
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You can't compare Lombardia or Liege with a time trial. Pogacar after kilometer-200 is lethal.
Tomorrow's race is a time trial with a ITT bike. The climbs in Monaco were longer and in stage21.
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They will have 15km of descents. If Remco rides them at 70 kph, he will make it in 12'51".
If Pogacar goes at 68 kph, he will make this distance in 13'14". Just 23" between them in 15 km.
And I don't think Remco can go 2 kph faster than Pogacar.
Tomorrow, it's all about the climbs.
If Pogacar goes at 68 kph, he will make this distance in 13'14". Just 23" between them in 15 km.
And I don't think Remco can go 2 kph faster than Pogacar.
Tomorrow, it's all about the climbs.
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For sure but it's still obvious Remco is not on the same level of Pogacar in gradients around 5.5-6%.
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Four short descents aren't the same as one long like in Monaco, and they're not at all technical, either.
I didn't give Vine a chance because of the descent, but now that they saying they are easy, I think he will be close.
For the road race, I see Pogacar as the favorite. I don't give Roglic a chance. I think it would be crazy to even consider him for this route. The slovenian coach has to say one thing, but he will think the same thing.
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It's a myth Pogacar gained 36 seconds on Remco just because of cornering in the hilly TT (Monaco). It's impossible to gain this time in 9 km.
Weight is important on descents and Remco is not heavier than Pogacar so I believe he will not gain more than 15 seconds in these 4 descents.
So climbs will decide this TT.
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I'm not just talking about the descents. The Monaco climb was longer. The climbs here are short, on a wide road. The first climbs are for specialists.
The last two are harder, I don't know if it will be enough to beat him in a time trial lasting more than 50 minutes.
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Average but your point just gives more strenght to my argument.
80 kph vs 78 kph in 15 km, it's a 17" gap.
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100km/h is IMHO a tad too much. All i can say is there won't be anything average going on tomorrow.
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Is it Pogacar mowing down Roglic, or Roglic allowing his young compatriot and friend to catch up so Pogacar can be back to back champion and Roglic has a front row seat?
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