Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

That was done in this forum...
And I'm telling you the same thing about Del Toro.
In GT, for now, his level is insufficient to be a problem for Vingegaard.

Carapaz and Simon aren't in their prime.

Giro d'Italia 2025 Stage 16 results

Giro d'Italia 2025 Stage 16 from Piazzola sul Brenta to San Valentino (Brentonico) was won by Christian Scaroni before Lorenzo Fortunato and Giulio Pellizzari. Isaac del Toro was leading the general classification.

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But where did I disagree with this?

 

[Cycling111]

Their main mistake was made at the bottom of the climb (crazy attack by Carapaz and Del Toro following it). As @Red Rick says Yates is a flat uphill track FTP bully: he had a more steady start and produced a great performance on this climb.

WAS.
Simon hadn't been at the level to win a GT for seven years 😅
That day was a surprise

And in the Tour, he was a domestique. To put into perspective how close Del Toro would have been to Vingegaard in the Giro. No close, no problem.

 

[AlfaLum]

The thing is, Jonas may do the Giro to complete his Triple crown. And Pogi must race the Vuelta some year to complete his. Next year's GT winners are Jonas and Tadej.

I am still quite doubtful on whether Visma will allow Vingegaard to do the Giro and the expense of lowering their chances for the Tour.

Seems to me that at Visma there is still believe that Vingegaard can beat Pogacar if everything falls into place. And they will definitely know that they significantly impact the chances of everything falling into place if they allow Vingegaard to do the Giro.

Likewise i am also not sure if Pogacar already wants to do the Vuelta at the possible expense of a another succesful Canada trip.

 

[dercuforever]

Ayuso never did something remotely close to what Del Toro did in the Giro. He was the best rider in the Giro and lost due to a tactical mistake.
I don't believe for a second he (or Carapaz) was weaker than Yates in Finestre.

They were'nt weaker, but they started with 5 min at 100-130%. While Yates was crusing steadily.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I am still quite doubtful on whether Visma will allow Vingegaard to do the Giro and the expense of lowering their chances for the Tour.

Seems to me that at Visma there is still believe that Vingegaard can beat Pogacar if everything falls into place. And they will definitely know that they significantly impact the chances of everything falling into place if they allow Vingegaard to do the Giro.

Likewise i am also not sure if Pogacar already wants to do the Vuelta at the possible expense of a another succesful Canada trip.

I also don't think Pogacar will race the Vuelta but mainly because of PR.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They were'nt weaker, but they started with 5 min at 100-130%. While Yates was crusing steadily.

Because they were only focused on each other. Yates was smart to take advantage of that.

 

[veganrob]

I am still quite doubtful on whether Visma will allow Vingegaard to do the Giro and the expense of lowering their chances for the Tour.

Seems to me that at Visma there is still believe that Vingegaard can beat Pogacar if everything falls into place. And they will definitely know that they significantly impact the chances of everything falling into place if they allow Vingegaard to do the Giro.

Likewise i am also not sure if Pogacar already wants to do the Vuelta at the possible expense of an another succesful Canada trip.

And with the ‘26 Tour that would be four consecutive Grand Tours. Jonas has never had that kind of load before

 

[Peyroteo94]

And with the ‘26 Tour that would be four consecutive Grand Tours. Jonas has never had that kind of load before

You talk like there is a 2 months gap between the Vuelta and the Giro. It's 8 months! Plenty of time to rest and build slowly for the Giro-Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I didn't know you were such a Pogi fan. Why "fear" Evenepoel?

Fear as in the only rider who I think is able to beat Pog.

And yes, I am a huge Pogacar fan. As often happens, if the commentators go right, I go left since I really, really, REALLY dislike cheering on riders because of their passport.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

WAS.
Simon hadn't been at the level to win a GT for seven years 😅
That day was a surprise

And in the Tour, he was a domestique. To put into perspective how close Del Toro would have been to Vingegaard in the Giro. No close, no problem.

Moving to Visma helped him regain his w/kg, it seems.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Fear as in the only rider who I think is able to beat Pog.

And yes, I am a huge Pogacar fan. As often happens, if the commentators go right, I go left since I really, really, REALLY dislike cheering on riders because of their passport.

This doesn't make sense to me and I never thought I would listen someone saying this. I will always cheer for my portuguese riders despite being plenty convinced I would not be a fan of some of them if they weren't portuguese (e.g. Rui Costa).

 

[Cycling111]

Moving to Visma helped him regain his w/kg, it seems.

Visma is undoubtedly the best team to win a GT.

 

[Valv.Piti]

It shouldn't really be controversial. I like the riders I like to watch race, and thats that, and when commentators are overly chauvanistic and delusional, I most often find myself rooting against riders from Denmark because its so unberable to listen to.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It shouldn't really be controversial. I like the riders I like to watch race, and thats that, and when commentators are overly chauvanistic and delusional, I most often find myself rooting against riders from Denmark because its so unberable to listen to.

I can understand this (I was sick of listening how Almeida was in Vingegaard's level) but rooting against your national riders seems wrong in my book. But it's just a different opinion.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I can understand this (I was sick of listening how Almeida was in Vingegaard's level) but rooting against your national riders seems wrong in my book. But it's just a different opinion.

Well when you root for Pogacar, you're rooting against Jonas. I like Jonas, but he just doesn't excite me at all.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well when you root for Pogacar, you're rooting against Jonas. I like Jonas, but he just doesn't excite me at all.

Pogacar is my favorite rider and I would want Almeida to beat him (even if it's a unrealistic scenario not just because they are in the same team but due to their difference in level).

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well when you root for Pogacar, you're rooting against Jonas. I like Jonas, but he just doesn't excite me at all.

How is it exciting to root for someone you know is going to win every race? All the tension is gone. Regardless of passport. So if you have to start cheering for riders other than Danes, why not cheer for Carapaz or Healy instead of the most boring MFer on the planet?

 

[Valv.Piti]

How is it exciting to root for someone you know is going to win every race? All the tension is gone. Regardless of passport. So if you have to start cheering for riders other than Danes, why not cheer for Carapaz or Healy instead of the most boring MFer on the planet?

Why do you root for Evenepoel in time trials? Because you like him. I like Pogacar, and have since 2019.

 

[Cycling111]

Why do you root for Evenepoel in time trials? Because you like him. I like Pogacar, and have since 2019.

That's right. And they'd cheer for Remco if he were in that situation in all races.

They're the same people who didn't complain when Remco won in Liège with a solo. I suppose they cheered for Buitrago in Liège in 2023 and for Madouas in Olympics 🙄

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Why do you root for Evenepoel in time trials? Because you like him. I like Pogacar, and have since 2019.

Because all Belgians are required by cult, blood, law and peer pressure to root for Belgians. You know this. You don't think I rooted for Van Wilder to beat him at the WCC?
On a serious note, it is different because he is indeed a countryman, which you have wilfully rejected to then cheer for... Real Madrid.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That's right. And they'd cheer for Remco if he were in that situation in all races.

They're the same people who didn't complain when Remco won in Liège with a solo. I suppose they cheered for Buitrago in Liège in 2023 and for Madouas in Olympics 🙄

What is your nationality dear Sir?

 

[Peyroteo94]

How is it exciting to root for someone you know is going to win every race? All the tension is gone. Regardless of passport. So if you have to start cheering for riders other than Danes, why not cheer for Carapaz or Healy instead of the most boring MFer on the planet?

Why don't you say this in the Remco's thread? Maybe some Remco fans will realize Remco vs Pogacar is not a close competition.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Why don't you say this in the Remco's thread? Maybe some Remco fans will realize Remco vs Pogacar is not a close competition.

Like the greatest singer of all time, Will Tura (not by chance, Belgian) used to sing "zonder hoop is er geen leven". That's why.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Because all Belgians are required by cult, blood, law and peer pressure to root for Belgians. You know this. You don't think I rooted for Van Wilder to beat him at the WCC?
On a serious note, it is different because he is indeed a countryman, which you have wilfully rejected to then cheer for... Real Madrid.

Whats your problem, really? We choose to root for whoever we like. Im not shaming you for rooting for Remco, but it seems you are trying to do that to me. Why you do that I have no clue other than that I know it must be extremely hard for you to grasp not necessarily rooting for countrymen since being Belgian seems to be enough for you to root for them.

And you definitely wouldn't have liked to root for a Belgian Eddy Merckx reincarnitated. That would have been boring! And you still didnt really answer my question - why do you root for Evenepoel in time trials? Thats so boring!

 

[Shortcut]

Jonas didn't seem to have any issues Vuelta 2023. I'm not saying Almeida would've won the Vuelta, but I think he was doing better before his TdF crash.

Jonas was sick first week of Vuelta 23 and also after that clearly not himself. He lost first ITT against Kuss(!!) and pretty badly against Roglic. Then he was allowed to attack because everybody in his family and all friends had birthdays. Roglic was already one minute in front of him at GC and looked better than Jonas in first two weeks. He wasn't allowed to follow Jonas. After that he "gifted" Vuelta to Kuss, but everybody forgot (so fast) that he actually stole that Vuelta from Roglic).