Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Pogacsa]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Is Pogacar riding like Eddy Merckx? Evenepoel answer:

"Merckx also won his time trials"

Tadej Pogacar the new Eddy Merckx? Not according to Remco Evenepoel: “Merckx also won his time trials”

Remco Evenepoel may be gearing up for his final race in the colours of Soudal - Quick-Step, but that didn’t stop him from offering a playful — and pointed — comparison between two of cycling’s modern...

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Remco is making sure Eddy is untouchable

 

[SafeBet]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

Dumoulin in 2018? Don't know if better but at a similar level.

 

[Cycling111]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

The answer is the same: Those who won it

 

[Cycling111]

Is Pogacar riding like Eddy Merckx? Evenepoel answer:

"Merckx also won his time trials"

Tadej Pogacar the new Eddy Merckx? Not according to Remco Evenepoel: “Merckx also won his time trials”

Remco Evenepoel may be gearing up for his final race in the colours of Soudal - Quick-Step, but that didn’t stop him from offering a playful — and pointed — comparison between two of cycling’s modern...

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Remco is making sure Eddy is untouchable

The only intelligent person in this seems to be Vingegaard. He said Pogacar was better. I don't know if he really means it, but it adds more value to Vingegaard's achievements to say that his greatest rival is the best in history.

Remco should have just said that Pogacar is a bad time trialist, thus taking away any value from lapping someone so bad.

 

[Berniece]

The only intelligent person in this seems to be Vingegaard. He said Pogacar was better. I don't know if he really means it, but it adds more value to Vingegaard's achievements to say that his greatest rival is the best in history.

Remco should have just said that Pogacar is a bad time trialist, thus taking away any value from lapping someone so bad.

Or read the actual article instead of just the title. He made a joke.

 

[Lurkerman]

He took a big step in 24, it' clear, but he took an equally big step in 23, did he not? I'm trying to convince myself of this take

 

[BubbaChuck]

remco aint lying,lmao.pog pushing crazy numbers on recon.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He took a big step in 24, it' clear, but he took an equally big step in 23, did he not? I'm trying to convince myself of this take

He did. He improved a lot after 2022.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Is Pogacar riding like Eddy Merckx? Evenepoel answer:

"Merckx also won his time trials"

Tadej Pogacar the new Eddy Merckx? Not according to Remco Evenepoel: “Merckx also won his time trials”

Remco Evenepoel may be gearing up for his final race in the colours of Soudal - Quick-Step, but that didn’t stop him from offering a playful — and pointed — comparison between two of cycling’s modern...

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Remco is making sure Eddy is untouchable

Yeah, it's funny how belgians are constantly trying to put Merckx as the Goat. Only the belgians. This inferiority complex about Pogacar...

 

[Berniece]

Yeah, it's funny how belgians are constantly trying to put Merckx as the Goat. Only the belgians. This inferiority complex about Pogacar...

Yeah how weird people defend their own riders. That's the definition of an inferiority complex

 

[Lorzenz08]

Pogi today on a Lomardia recon saying to a fan " Where are you riding, go on the right side " haha

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[Cookster15]

Yeah, it's funny how belgians are constantly trying to put Merckx as the Goat. Only the belgians. This inferiority complex about Pogacar...

Not Belgians. This was Remco speaking. Remco is referring to the fact that Eddy's strongest discipline relative to his rivals was TT.

Pogacar's strength relative to his rivals today is much more weighted towards climbing. Pogi's TT is one of the best but not as good as Remco unless its a MTT or very hilly (like Nice 2024 TdF).

So, I don't find it surprising that Remco talk up TT as that is his strength. Got nothing to do with an inferiority complex.

I also think its good that Remco is trying to be optimistic on his chances. It does not help to be defeatist.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not Belgians. This was Remco speaking. Remco is referring to the fact that Eddy's strongest discipline relative to his rivals was TT.

Pogacar's strength relative to his rivals today is much more weighted towards climbing. Pogi's TT is one of the best but not as good as Remco unless its a MTT or very hilly (like Nice 2024 TdF).

So, I don't find it surprising that Remco talk up TT as that is his strength. Got nothing to do with an inferiority complex.

I also think its good that Remco is trying to be optimistic on his chances. It does not help to be defeatist.

Roger, Axel, Bruyneel and now Remco. Just here, there are 4 belgians who said the same thing.
Of course they all ignore Merckx's competition. Monuments were national championships, specially PR, RVV and LBL

 

[Cookster15]

Roger, Axel, Bruyneel and now Remco. Just here, there are 4 belgians who said the same thing.
Of course they all ignore Merckx's competition. Monuments were national championships, specially PR, RVV and LBL

Good for them. Nationalism is hardly new. I see nothing wrong with it. And what Remco said was also fine.

Freedom of speech. We can gloat after GdL assuming the outcome is as most expect.

 

[YavorD]

Roger, Axel, Bruyneel and now Remco. Just here, there are 4 belgians who said the same thing.
Of course they all ignore Merckx's competition. Monuments were national championships, specially PR, RVV and LBL

And nowadays monuments are race between 2 riders. If Evenepoel is in good shape, you can say 3..
Yeeeeah, the competition is oooo big these days that 2 risers have won 16 monuments between them. In the last 5 years.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And nowadays monuments are race between 2 riders. If Evenepoel is in good shape, you can say 3..
Yeeeeah, the competition is oooo big these days that 2 risers have won 16 monuments between them. In the last 5 years.

This is the reason why Pogacar is the best. Not hard to understand... you don't see 8 Slovenians in the top 10 of major races.

 

[YavorD]

This is the reason why Pogacar is the best. Not hard to understand... you don't see 8 Slovenians in the top 10 of major races.

Irrelevant.
Both of them don't have competition, simple as that.
Merckx' competition was Roger De Vlaeminck, Pogacar's competition is Mathieu Van Der Poel.


If we talk about competition, perhaps we can mention that Merckx didn't have a team with unlimited budget (with all the bonuses coming along, clinic included) behind him as well, no? Isn't that relevant in regards to rider's success?