Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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I actually completely forgot that the 2027 Worlds start one month after the Tour and before the Vuelta. The Vuelta could fit in to his 2027 schedule but it likely still heavily depends on whether he’s riding a heavy Classics campaign or not.
I dont know if it is better or worse really.

It is a month where you would have to keep your form going into the Vuelta after the Tour, rather than a couple of weeks and into it again... which is probably the best way to do it.

The optimal way is likely an easier spring. Train May. Suisse or Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta.

Or do the Giro-Vuelta combo, which doesnt seem likely at the moment.
 
I dont know if it is better or worse really.

It is a month where you would have to keep your form going into the Vuelta after the Tour, rather than a couple of weeks and into it again... which is probably the best way to do it.

The optimal way is likely an easier spring. Train May. Suisse or Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta.

Or do the Giro-Vuelta combo, which doesnt seem likely at the moment.
The best year to race Giro-Vuelta and skip the Tour.
 
In Glasgow 2023 (WC took place soon after TdF), Pogacar was tired as hell after the RR. And there was no jetlag. So I do not think he will ride the Tour if it ends just a few days before the OGRR.

Besides, the TdF dates are not known yet (they could even overlap with the Olympics), and it is also possible Pogacar might want to ride the OG TT as well, if the profile will suit him (the TT will take place a few days before the RR in the 2028 Olympics).

If the Tour ends just days before the OGRR, I think Pogacar will skip it in 2028. He said himself the 2028 Olympics are a big career goal. He will not want to compromise that goal by tiredness because of Tour. But that is just my opinion.
I think the tiredness and lack of form post-Tour 2023 was more attributed to his interrupted prep due to the LBL crash. If he comes out of TDF 2028 still in fantastic shape like in 2024 and without a Giro in his legs, then obviously he should go for the TDF-OGRR combo.

I dont know if it is better or worse really.

It is a month where you would have to keep your form going into the Vuelta after the Tour, rather than a couple of weeks and into it again... which is probably the best way to do it.

The optimal way is likely an easier spring. Train May. Suisse or Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta.

Or do the Giro-Vuelta combo, which doesnt seem likely at the moment.
It’s definitely gonna be interesting to see how he tackles his schedule for 2027 due to the date of the Worlds. I think Tour-WC-Vuelta is doable but if he’s still going for RVV-Roubaix that year, he’s probably not gonna ride 2 GTs anyway. But as Peyroteo said, Giro-Vuelta honestly fits perfectly that year. Light spring, prep for the Giro then he gets to optimally prepare for the Worlds then Vuelta and he will probably still have the legs to go for Lombardia. But I don’t know if UAE will like him skipping the Tour.
 
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I dont know if it is better or worse really.

It is a month where you would have to keep your form going into the Vuelta after the Tour, rather than a couple of weeks and into it again... which is probably the best way to do it.

The optimal way is likely an easier spring. Train May. Suisse or Dauphine-Tour-Vuelta.

Or do the Giro-Vuelta combo, which doesnt seem likely at the moment.
For Pogacar, it is better, I think:
- he would not compromise the WC if he goes to Vuelta (because Vuelta will take place afterwards)
- longer recovery time (last year, he had just enough time between the Giro and the Tour to prepare),
- he would not really need to peak for the Vuelta if Jonas is not there, it would be just a training (zone 2) ride for the best part of it
- he could end the season after Vuelta (no WC, and there is no need to care about the EC, Emilia or seventh consecutive Lombardia after already winning six in a row)
- he can still take some time off after the Tour and be with Urska (which is what he clearly needs after the Tour) before training for WC and the Vuelta
 
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Because you yourself are saying that he talked about it.. LOL

Some of us always have to prove everything.It's very tiring.By the way, if it were all about sources, you and others wouldn't even be able to publish half the accusations without evidence in clinic thread.

It's in an interview he gave, look it up. Or remember, because when you posted that tweet it seems you remembered that he talked about going to Rwanda.
You made a factual assertion: that Vingegaard said in January that the WC was one of his two goals for the season.

If that is true, then there must be a public source of him saying so from January. You have refused repeatedly to tell what you base your factual assertion on. If it's not possible to find a source from January where he says so, then your claim must be false.

You have now made that claim repeatedly, and your continued refusal to acknowledge that there are no sources for it make your behavior indistinguishable from deliberately deceitful misinformation.

That Vingegaard later on in May spoke of the Worlds is no support for your assertion of what he said publicly in January. You made no interpretation, you gave no opinion. You asserted what the public record was. Wrongly, and without any admission of failure. You contaminate the epistemic commons.
 
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He is physically spent as well from riding these races and always preparing inbetween for 6 months, having to be focused for so long. Every detail. It is hard to stay in form for so long. Like Maxtin said. March to end of Tour is a long time already. Mishaps and problems can derail things.

I think its likely he will do Dauphine again for the race days and it is more prestigious than Suisse. I can rather see Del Toro doing Suisse next season if he goes Tour.

He will do pretty much the same as this season, with the exception of UAE Tour (hopefully). Maybe something else to replace it or just spend more time preparing for the what he wants to win. MSR and PR.
I think Suisse would be much better next year with it dropping to 5 days as will conserve some energy.

I don’t think he even needs to do a stage race ahead of the Tour though and this may help him decompress post LBL and have enough rest time to then add Vuelta to the back end of the season.
 
I think Suisse would be much better next year with it dropping to 5 days as will conserve some energy.

I don’t think he even needs to do a stage race ahead of the Tour though and this may help him decompress post LBL and have enough rest time to then add Vuelta to the back end of the season.
I think he might not do Suisse because it is "only" five days and he wants more days + tougher competition before the Tour. Get a good view of his main opponents as well.

I definitely thinks he needs a race before the Tour. He cant skip that with not much stage-racing before it.

And decompress to rest after LBL is not to think of. He needs to train and do camp in May to be ready.

What you are suggesting doesnt work or isnt how it works.

Adding Vuelta is just out of the question when doing classics + Tour. Because of the racing and prep, needing to be at very high level from March to end of Tour.

There is no time to sit on your ass during this time.

Even after his crash in LBL in 2023, he couldnt rest much. He had to start doing training despite injury to be somewhat ready for Tour. It still wasnt enough.
 
I think he might not do Suisse because it is "only" five days and he wants more days + tougher competition before the Tour. Get a good view of his main opponents as well.

I definitely thinks he needs a race before the Tour. He cant skip that with not much stage-racing before it.

And decompress to rest after LBL is not to think of. He needs to train and do camp in May to be ready.

What you are suggesting doesnt work or isnt how it works.

Adding Vuelta is just out of the question when doing classics + Tour. Because of the racing and prep, needing to be at very high level from March to end of Tour.

There is no time to sit on your ass during this time.

Even after his crash in LBL in 2023, he couldnt rest much. He had to start doing training despite injury to be somewhat ready for Tour. It still wasnt enough.
His problem is only after TdS. He can't have another training block.
 
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You made a factual assertion: that Vingegaard said in January that the WC was one of his two goals for the season.

If that is true, then there must be a public source of him saying so from January. You have refused repeatedly to tell what you base your factual assertion on. If it's not possible to find a source from January where he says so, then your claim must be false.

You have now made that claim repeatedly, and your continued refusal to acknowledge that there are no sources for it make your behavior indistinguishable from deliberately deceitful misinformation.

That Vingegaard later on in May spoke of the Worlds is no support for your assertion of what he said publicly in January. You made no interpretation, you gave no opinion. You asserted what the public record was. Wrongly, and without any admission of failure. You contaminate the epistemic commons.
Unless one or both of you have spoken to Jonas; how could you know? A wish to do something is hardly a commitment worth this level of anality. That's the derivative of banality....
 
Unless one or both of you have spoken to Jonas; how could you know? A wish to do something is hardly a commitment worth this level of anality. That's the derivative of banality....
His calendar was announced in January at a team training camp where he also gave some interviews. C111 claimed: "Vingegaard said in January that his goals were the Tour and the World Championships."

It's not a claim about what he wished nor what his goals were. It's a claim about what he said in public. Such a claim can only be true if there exists a source of him saying so.
 
I think there is a real chance Vingegaard will race Giro-Tour and for that reason I think Pogacar can have a more relaxed approach to the TdF.
I genuinely believe he was too hot in the Dauphiné (and he paid in the Tour) because he wanted to make a statement before the Tour.
Don't know if more people share the same opinion.
 
I think there is a real chance Vingegaard will race Giro-Tour and for that reason I think Pogacar can have a more relaxed approach to the TdF.
I genuinely believe he was too hot in the Dauphiné (and he paid in the Tour) because he wanted to make a statement before the Tour.
Don't know if more people share the same opinion.
The crash didn't help, and also if he wasn't feeling well.

I do think Jonas will race, and win, the Giro.
 
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Pogačar can opt to ride the Vuelta in 2026 but with a WCRR course that suits him, I just don’t think it will happen and instead his 2025 blueprint of Spring Classics-Tour-Worlds/Lombardia is likely to be repeated with a few minor adjustments here and there.

2027 though offers an interesting possibility, because the Worlds are scheduled to the usual Vuelta calendar slot, so in my opinion, it will make sense for Pogačar to ride the Vuelta after the Worlds, a bit like the LBL-Giro combo that he did last year.

2028 and 2029 will likely have flat WCRR routes so he can also ride the Vuelta in those two years, so I am definitely bullish that Pogačar will win the Vuelta at least once in his career.
 
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