Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah, from a collecting perspective.
Other than that I don't think he cares about TdS, but I don't think he cares that much about Dauphiné either.

Indeed, the biggest factor has always been that 'from a prep perspective' Dauphine was generally considered more suited.
Let's not forget, though, that next year's TdF is quite backloaded.

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I think it will all depend on Vingegaard. If he is not racing the Giro, Pogacar will race the Dauphiné.
If he is racing the Giro, Pogacar will go to Suisse.

 

[Monsi]

I think it will all depend on Vingegaard. If he is not racing the Giro, Pogacar will race the Dauphiné.
If he is racing the Giro, Pogacar will go to Suisse.

Not really. I don’t get why the decision to race either Dauphine or Suisse would depend on Vingegaard. It just depends on where Pogi feels he can get the best prep for the Tour. Or maybe it would just depend on vibes.

 

[Salvarani]

Not really. I don’t get why the decision to race either Dauphine or Suisse would depend on Vingegaard. It just depends on where Pogi feels he can get the best prep for the Tour. Or maybe it would just depend on vibes.

Yup, exactly.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not really. I don’t get why the decision to race either Dauphine or Suisse would depend on Vingegaard. It just depends on where Pogi feels he can get the best prep for the Tour. Or maybe it would just depend on vibes.

Because racing the Dauphiné is all about "feeling his rivals". If Vingegaard isn't there, it doesn't matter and he can win another one week stage race. He said he wants to win all major one week races.

 

[Salvarani]

Because racing the Dauphiné is all about "feeling his rivals". If Vingegaard isn't there, it doesn't matter and he can win another one week stage race. He said he wants to win all major one week races.

It should be about if it is better preparation or not. Regardless about who is there, even though strategy-wise that could be reason to race it. Not avoid or dependent on someone else, as what you are suggesting.

Or it will be about something trivial as "vibes", as Monsi said. That he himself would rather go Suisse for some reason, for example.

 

[Rou]

It should be about if it is better preparation or not. Regardless about who is there, even though strategy-wise that could be reason to race it. Not avoid or dependent on someone else, as what you are suggesting.

Or it will be about something trivial as "vibes", as Monsi said. That he himself would rather go Suisse for some reason, for example.

It's not just about preparation. If Vingegaard races the Dauphine Pogacar would need to push much harder.
It's a way to measure yourself against your biggest rival but it can also exhaust you more.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's not just about preparation. If Vingegaard races the Dauphine Pogacar would need to push much harder.
It's a way to measure yourself against your biggest rival but it can also exhaust you more.

This. In any moment, Pogacar went to the Dauphiné just to prepare the Tour. He wanted to make a statement against Vingegaard.
He said he was there to prepare, to get some miles for the Tour and then Combloux happened.

 

[Salvarani]

It's not just about preparation. If Vingegaard races the Dauphine Pogacar would need to push much harder.
It's a way to measure yourself against your biggest rival but it can also exhaust you more.

Pog probably wants a harder race before the Tour to increase his form and shape. Like this aint a problem.

Yall only want it "easy" so he maybe does Vuelta. It aint happening when he is racing classics in the spring and he is targeting worlds on a course that suits him. Just forget about it.

 

[Rou]

Pog probably wants a harder race before the Tour to increase his form and shape. Like this aint a problem.

Yall only want it "easy" so he maybe does Vuelta. It aint happening when he is racing classics in the spring and he is targeting worlds on a course that suits him. Just forget about it.

Pogacar will not double a Tour-Vuelta in his career.
Not because of spring classics but because he is always fried after the Tour.
August is his weakest month of the year - regardless of him doing the classics or not.

 

[Salvarani]

This. In any moment, Pogacar went to the Dauphiné just to prepare the Tour. He wanted to make a statement against Vingegaard.
He said he was there to prepare, to get some miles for the Tour and then Combloux happened.

Yes, so he would probably like to do that again. Of course, he wanted to test the others last season before the Tour. Especially, after the TT. Hence, people are saying prep-wise and strategy-wise... Dauphine is probably the better race to choose if you are Pog. Unless Pog just want to mix it up for other reasons and do Suisse.

What it is that you dont seem to get, mate?

 

[Salvarani]

Pogacar will not double a Tour-Vuelta in his career.
Not because of spring classics but because he is always fried after the Tour.
August is his weakest month of the year - regardless of him doing the classics or not.

Hard to predict for the rest of his career. Who knows.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, so he would probably like to do that again. Of course, he wanted to test the others last season before the Tour. Especially, after the TT. Hence, people are saying prep-wise and strategy-wise... Dauphine is probably the better race to choose if you are Pog. Unless Pog just want to mix it up for other reasons and do Suisse.

What it is that you dont seem to get, mate?

Did you even read my previous post?
I said Pogacar will race the Dauphiné if he wants to test himself against Vingegaard. If Vingegaard is racing the Giro, he will probably race the TdS to win it because he never won it.
In what world does Pogacar need to test himself against Remco or Lipo or Onley in the Dauphiné?
The only rider he "fears" is Vingegaard.
There is any soul here who believes Pogacar can't gain real time in the mountains wherever he wants against everyone not named Vingegaard? Pogacar knows this too.

 

[Salvarani]

Did you even read my previous post?

It is hard to keep up when it keeps changing. Moving on.

He could race Dauphine just because it is the best prep. Regardless of anything else.

Or Suisse, if that is what he wants.

Nothing more to it.

 

[Shortcut]

Did you even read my previous post?
I said Pogacar will race the Dauphiné if he wants to test himself against Vingegaard. If Vingegaard is racing the Giro, he will probably race the TdS to win it because he never won it.
In what world does Pogacar need to test himself against Remco or Lipo or Onley in the Dauphiné?
The only rider he "fears" is Vingegaard.
There is any soul here who believes Pogacar can't gain real time in the mountains wherever he wants against everyone not named Vingegaard? Pogacar knows this too.

He doesn't need to test himself anymore. At Dauphine started that narrative this year how boring everything is with Pogi winning everything. He looked really annoyed at Dauphine and if you have in mind he rode it just 2 times in career, that means something. I think this year he proved he is not afraid of anything, he went against MvDP at spring classics, against Jonas at Dauphine and TdF and against Remco at WC, EC and GdL.

 

[Salvarani]

He doesn't need to test himself anymore. At Dauphine started that narrative this year how boring everything is with Pogi winning everything. He looked really annoyed at Dauphine and if you have in mind he rode it just 2 times in career, that means something. I think this year he proved he is not afraid of anything, he went against MvDP at spring classics, against Jonas at Dauphine and TdF and against Remco at WC, EC and GdL.

You confuse ”test” yourself, with strategy and prep.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He doesn't need to test himself anymore. At Dauphine started that narrative this year how boring everything is with Pogi winning everything. He looked really annoyed at Dauphine and if you have in mind he rode it just 2 times in career, that means something. I think this year he proved he is not afraid of anything, he went against MvDP at spring classics, against Jonas at Dauphine and TdF and against Remco at WC, EC and GdL.

It's clear he wanted to make a statement and tell the world his 2024 TdF wasn't a fluke, specially due to Vingegaard's suboptimal preparation.
The Dauphiné is the best prep race for the Tour but with Vingegaard racing the Giro, he can go to Suisse because he said he wants to win all major one week stage races. 2026 will probably be the best year for that due to less racing days.
I also don't think it is a bad idea to stay at home for 2 weeks after LBL before heading to Sierra Nevada. This year, 5 days after LBL, he was already in Sierra Nevada. He didn't even have time to relax after his heavy spring classics schedule.

 

[Shortcut]

You confuse ”test” yourself, with strategy and prep.

And you confuse Pogacar with standard riders. He was in crazy form already at Dauphine and nobody excepted him being so good after heavy spring schedule.

 

[Salvarani]

And you confuse Pogacar with standard riders. He was in crazy form already at Dauphine and nobody excepted him being so good after heavy spring schedule.

Sure

 

[Red Rick]

I think the biggest pieces will have to be laid first. Does Pogi plan to ride the Vuelta or not? If not, who should lead the team in the Vuelta? After the Giro, will Almeida aim for a podium in the Tour or rather go for the Vuelta? Will Del Toro ride one or two GTs, and will he be happy to share leadership with Almeida in the Giro?

I think they just leave the Pogacar to Vuelta question semi open. You send Almeida to Giro-Tour because you don't want to be that light on top quality support, and Del Toro can go Giro and then leave the Vuelta an open question as well.

And in no way can Almeida and Del Toro demand sole leadership in a GT on UAE.

 

[AmRacer]

I think they just leave the Pogacar to Vuelta question semi open. You send Almeida to Giro-Tour because you don't want to be that light on top quality support, and Del Toro can go Giro and then leave the Vuelta an open question as well.

And in no way can Almeida and Del Toro demand sole leadership in a GT on UAE.

Almeida Giro
Pogi Tour (his only GT next year and Almeida's second if he's up for it)
Del Toro Vuelta (his only GT next year)

 

[Netserk]

I think they just leave the Pogacar to Vuelta question semi open. You send Almeida to Giro-Tour because you don't want to be that light on top quality support, and Del Toro can go Giro and then leave the Vuelta an open question as well.

And in no way can Almeida and Del Toro demand sole leadership in a GT on UAE.

If Del Toro only does one GT and Almeida does the Giro, then I'd rather go to the Tour. And if Pogi already rules out the Vuelta, then that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Tadej Pogačar 'vastly superior' to Eddy Merckx, says retiring WorldTour star – for reasons you might not have thought of

There is little doubt in Michael Woods's mind who is best between the Cannibal and Pogi

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[Cycling111]

Almeida Giro
Pogi Tour (his only GT next year and Almeida's second if he's up for it)
Del Toro Vuelta (his only GT next year)

And no one as a domestique in the Tour?
Adam Yates has already lowered his level this year.

Almeida has to go to the Tour as a domestique, or Del Toro.
And if they don't want to, they should look for another team. They know what's going on in the UAE, just as Simon Yates had to go as a domestique at the Tour despite winning the Giro.

 

[Peyroteo94]

And no one as a domestique in the Tour?
Adam Yates has already lowered his level this year.

Almeida has to go to the Tour as a domestique, or Del Toro.
And if they don't want to, they should look for another team. They know what's going on in the UAE, just as Simon Yates had to go as a domestique at the Tour despite winning the Giro.

Calm down. Of course Almeida or Del Toro will be in the Tour.

 

[James M]

Tadej Pogačar 'vastly superior' to Eddy Merckx, says retiring WorldTour star – for reasons you might not have thought of

There is little doubt in Michael Woods's mind who is best between the Cannibal and Pogi

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He must be a fan of Pogacar, even if he's saying that which are merely common sense to almost everyone now.