Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[canina82]

They are managed by Flanders Classics now? and this is what One Cycling would have looked like. (And they do the men's and women's stages on the same day).

It really hurts my eyes to see a route map with a bunch of isolated loops instead of something more connected.

Just one mountain stage and a lot of punchy stages. I would like to see a real monster climb and there is not a single one.

 

[canina82]

His team for LBL was released. Such a weak team! Wth? No Grobschartner, no McNulty. Putting riders like Rune and Laengen instead of Florian is a joke.

 

[Monsi]

His team for LBL was released. Such a weak team! Wth? No Grobschartner, no McNulty. Putting riders like Rune and Laengen instead of Florian is a joke.

I don't like it. I don't hate it. Weaker than usual but what can they do with the injuries to Narvaez, Christen, IDT, etc. Would've liked to see Vermaerke, McNulty, and Grosschartner.

Rune and Laengen should be fine to control the early part of the race then start making it hard with Novak and Wellens. Sivakov then Cosnefroy leadouts to launch Pog.

 

[Rou]

Guys, are you surprised about the Swiss route? It was already announced at the end of last year that the race is shortened and it will be criteriums.
The race has its problems and has lost some of its prestige.
Pogacar will need to do two hard efforts on stages 4 and 5 because there is a REAL possibility of DETRAINING.

 

[Unchained]

Guys, are you surprised about the Swiss route? It was already announced at the end of last year that the race is shortened and it will be criteriums.
The race has its problems and has lost some of its prestige.
Pogacar will need to do two hard efforts on stages 4 and 5 because there is a REAL possibility of DETRAINING.

Is DETRAINING what happens when you don't buy a ticket? Or unable to get a team provided lead out? Or is DETRAINING forgetting what you learned?

 

[Rou]

Is DETRAINING what happens when you don't buy a ticket? Or unable to get a team provided lead out? Or is DETRAINING forgetting what you learned?

You know exactly what detraining is. Detraining is me laying on my back and getting my butt kicked by somebody who's put the hard miles.

 

[canina82]

Guys, are you surprised about the Swiss route? It was already announced at the end of last year that the race is shortened and it will be criteriums.
The race has its problems and has lost some of its prestige.
Pogacar will need to do two hard efforts on stages 4 and 5 because there is a REAL possibility of DETRAINING.

Stage 1 and stage 2 are for puncheurs.

 

[GdL]

Seixas is amazing and i love seeing another alien in the peloton. Still i think he is unlucky that he is in the same era as Pogi and not other way around. This and next year maybe he will win something against Pogi but not much. Also i don't believe he will be to close at TdF against Pogi nor Jonas. At the Basque i already had feeling, he would have problems with Lipowitz, if race would have been longer. Also let say he comes at the same level with Pogi, Tadej will still be stronger at finish on races like LBL, Lombardia. WCs after 2027 are not gonna be hilly. I am still 100%, Pogacar 3rd week at GTs are unterrated (the same goes for Jonas).

Pogačar might not have many years at the very top left, and his level could start to decline from here. It’s hard to imagine him getting much better than what we’ve already seen.

There are plenty of races where Pogačar doesn't compete. If I were Seixas, I’d build my program around those to stack up wins and boost my confidence at least for this year. Imagine him winning the Vuelta this year; he would become the youngest Grand Tour winner in history. Or he may have serious chances in prestigious races like the Clásica de San Sebastián.

 

[yaco]

His team for LBL was released. Such a weak team! Wth? No Grobschartner, no McNulty. Putting riders like Rune and Laengen instead of Florian is a joke.

Does it really matter? You can't always have the strongest time in every race.

 

[vappa]

Guys, are you surprised about the Swiss route? It was already announced at the end of last year that the race is shortened and it will be criteriums.
The race has its problems and has lost some of its prestige.
Pogacar will need to do two hard efforts on stages 4 and 5 because there is a REAL possibility of DETRAINING.

Either that or he will do a very hard week beforehand and take this race as a rest week

 

[piada especial]

His team for LBL was released. Such a weak team! Wth? No Grobschartner, no McNulty. Putting riders like Rune and Laengen instead of Florian is a joke.

i think pogi has shown enough times that a team is largely irrelevant for him. give him some bottle carriers for the first 150k or so and a couple of bodies to keep a break in check, but once he's inevitably in a front group or solo with enough time, feeds and a spare bike are coming from the car, not his mates. specially if he's as strong as everyone is predicting. besides, i can't imagine that red bull and decathlon won't be assisting.

so, just keep an eye on remco and seixas, deploy watt bomb on redoute, solo to the line, game over, right?

 

[canina82]

Does it really matter? You can't always have the strongest time in every race.

This year his team has been very hampered with crashes. He just wins because he is so much better.

 

[hayneplane]

His team for LBL was released. Such a weak team! Wth? No Grobschartner, no McNulty. Putting riders like Rune and Laengen instead of Florian is a joke.

They will just do the unseen work of controlling the break until they reach Bastogne and hit the hills on the way back to Liege.

Means more emphasis on Novak to do a job on the early climbs but we know he will turn himself inside out to help Pogacar.

 

[Taxus4a]

He has an strong team anyway to make the race hard when he wants, as he has Cosnefroy, recent 4th at Huy, with the same time to the second. As well Sivakov.
And Novak is usual at Tour de France, he can work alone half of the race.

But of course, this time the team wont be an advantage as usual.

 

[canina82]

i think pogi has shown enough times that a team is largely irrelevant for him. give him some bottle carriers for the first 150k or so and a couple of bodies to keep a break in check, but once he's inevitably in a front group or solo with enough time, feeds and a spare bike are coming from the car, not his mates. specially if he's as strong as everyone is predicting. besides, i can't imagine that red bull and decathlon won't be assisting.

so, just keep an eye on remco and seixas, deploy watt bomb on redoute, solo to the line, game over, right?

Against Seixas, he might have some more troubles in a near future.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

i think pogi has shown enough times that a team is largely irrelevant for him. give him some bottle carriers for the first 150k or so and a couple of bodies to keep a break in check, but once he's inevitably in a front group or solo with enough time, feeds and a spare bike are coming from the car, not his mates. specially if he's as strong as everyone is predicting. besides, i can't imagine that red bull and decathlon won't be assisting.

so, just keep an eye on remco and seixas, deploy watt bomb on redoute, solo to the line, game over, right?

Teddy will attack 80 km from the line, near the statue of Eddy, and will have two great helpers with him (Remco and Paul). They will catapult him into a winning solo (starting from Redoute).

 

[canina82]

Teddy will attack 80 km from the line, near the statue of Eddy, and will have two great helpers with him (Remco and Paul). They will catapult him into a winning solo (starting from Redoute).

In fact, it's the best time to attack.

 

[Red Rick]

That's it boys, relegate Tour de Suisse to below me randomly doing sprint intervals on a city bike on the way home when I'm piss drunk, that's about how prestigious it should be.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

That's it boys, relegate Tour de Suisse to below me randomly doing sprint intervals on a city bike on the way home when I'm piss drunk, that's about how prestigious it should be.

There's probably a thrilling klaverjas tournament or something you can watch instead that week

 

[Ilmaestro99]

So funny his fans claiming he's the greatest ever cyclist to exist but then get upset that his team sends a half decent squad of domestiques to support him instead of 6 strongest riders possible.

 

[GdL]

i think pogi has shown enough times that a team is largely irrelevant for him. give him some bottle carriers for the first 150k or so and a couple of bodies to keep a break in check, but once he's inevitably in a front group or solo with enough time, feeds and a spare bike are coming from the car, not his mates. specially if he's as strong as everyone is predicting. besides, i can't imagine that red bull and decathlon won't be assisting.

so, just keep an eye on remco and seixas, deploy watt bomb on redoute, solo to the line, game over, right?

In many cases, I think Pogačar gets lucky because his opponents adopt the worst possible strategies. Take the last Tour of Flanders: if MVDP had stopped collaborating once Remco was dropped and instead waited for him since he was only seconds behind the two of them could have tag-teamed Pogačar. A 2-on-1 chase would have forced Pogačar to tire himself out before the finish.

Pogačar is incredibly strong, but he isn't unbeatable. In many one-day races, he could have been toppled with smarter tactics. Don't get me wrong: he is the strongest rider, no doubt. But he’s only able to pull off these 50–80km solo wins because his opponents are often tactically incompetent.

To be clear, I’m talking strictly about one-day races. In Grand Tours, there’s realistically no strategy that can stop him given the form he’s shown.

 

[Red Rick]

There's probably a thrilling klaverjas tournament or something you can watch instead that week

Look if I want to watch things for the sake of them being *** - is Tottenham playing by any chance that week?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Look if I want to watch things for the sake of them being *** - is Tottenham playing by any chance that week?

Suisse is in June, so no, probably not. But the World Cup will be on.

You could watch stage 4, be pissed about it and then watch the second Netherlands game later. This can only end well.

 

[HashRouge]

So funny his fans canina82 claiming he's the greatest ever cyclist to exist but then get upset that his team sends a half decent squad of domestiques to support him instead of 6 strongest riders possible.

 

[canina82]

In many cases, I think Pogačar gets lucky because his opponents adopt the worst possible strategies. Take the last Tour of Flanders: if MVDP had stopped collaborating once Remco was dropped and instead waited for him since he was only seconds behind the two of them could have tag-teamed Pogačar. A 2-on-1 chase would have forced Pogačar to tire himself out before the finish.

Pogačar is incredibly strong, but he isn't unbeatable. In many one-day races, he could have been toppled with smarter tactics. Don't get me wrong: he is the strongest rider, no doubt. But he’s only able to pull off these 50–80km solo wins because his opponents are often tactically incompetent.

To be clear, I’m talking strictly about one-day races. In Grand Tours, there’s realistically no strategy that can stop him given the form he’s shown.

You talk like MVP and Remco are teammates lol. It's irrelevant for MVP to lose to Remco or Pogacar.