Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Rackham]

So Michael Storer says Pog deliberately threw stage wins in the last week.

'Tadej Pogacar wilde Tourrit naar Superbagnères niet winnen door boegeroep Franse fans'

Tadej Pogacar zou zich in de veertiende rit van de Tour de France, die gewonnen werd door Thymen Arensman, ingehouden hebben met oog op het Franse publiek. Althans, dat zijn de woorden van Michael Storer. De Australiër vertelde dat in de podcast Domestique Hotseat. Storer sprong meerdere keren...

www.wielerflits.nl

Due to boos and his team not wanting the French to turn against him. Yep, definitely a healthy sport right here /s

 

[pelotonIQ]

This really takes the biscuit. So his new trainer introduced some intervals (hitherto unknown in the world of cycling!) and all of a sudden he takes a giant leap. Ridiculous.

A new trainer corrected the mistakes of the previous one thus improvements occured, not a difficult concept to understand.

 

[dr.eve]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1953238920738816109

View: https://x.com/ORION_coaching/status/1953238920738816109?s=19


This is the bs they are trying to sell us about the position. Like this is somehow a revolunationary driving position to create never seen before power while seated. Well when it clearly isn't the position or some core training(lol) producing the super power, then what could it be?

The goat conversation regarding pog's, gianetti"s and CO's achievements is more absurd, than saying Lance is the all time best stage racer. The tiktok-generation is somehow largely buying it and the journalists mostly stay silent, cause you can't bite the hand that feeds you.

The 'TikTok' generation is not buying it. They simply do not care or are numb to it. They only care about shouting GOAT. As I have said before, it's apparantly an amazing time since every sport currently seems to have a GOAT. We should all be amazed right? 🤣

Gimme MVDP any day over a Pogacar. I like to see great athletes doing great things but also enduring hardhips and overcoming them. And best would be if you throw some competition in the mix. Pogacar is just a one man domination show and I really do not care about that. Im so happy he is not participating in the Vuelta and was equally happy not seeing him in the Giro. Because that way we have a higher chance for some proper competition that entertains us.

 

[bah]

A new trainer corrected the mistakes of the previous one thus improvements occured, not a difficult concept to understand.

It's not a difficult concept to understand at all; it just strains credulity when considering the leap forward he has made and the level he was already on.

 

[ontheroad]

How Tadej Pogačar Built His Outrageous Seated Attacks in the Weight Room

If you want to pedal like Pogačar, don't skip your sit-ups: Tour de France champion crushed his core to develop a new race-winning weapon.

velo.outsideonline.com

Swart claims that extra core training plays a big part in Pogacars ability to stay seated whenever he attacks.

Revolutionary stuff, although this mightn't be as much of an advantage when everyone else cops onto it!!

 

[Unchained]

Its beyond me how peopel can watch ullrich,indurain or eddie and compare them to pog.lmao,on climbs he looks like jordan in comp to them.where is the surprise coming from,lol.

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tgyx_hhbRKo

Eddy era racing had equipment brutality for every aspect, natural chamois, and all that goes with that.. Wool clothing!! Shoes that were more likely to bend your foot in half.. Leather toe straps that in order to be used correctly, hurt your foot. The derailuers and gearing were there trying to blow your knees out!! So I will second that Michael Jordan grace, but Pogacar has many many things in his favor that were not available to Eddy Merckx. Personally hygiene has to be a monumental change!! Can't imagine how saddle sores play into cycling history!!
Guys standing around after the race in clamy clothing and it was never completely free of bacteria!! I feel itchy and infected just thinking about it!! I think they should make Pogacar wear 1960s, 70s clothing and equipment and see how he does!! When he looks back.. What do you mean 43x 19 is for climbing the steepest grades? Why am I wearing a wool t-shirt under my wool jersey? What's up with these shorts? How do you get rid of this diaper rash?

 

[Notarobot]

Just as people start asking questions some nobody "doctor" tells us they adjusted his bike for seated attacks. Pretty obvious damage control

 

[AlpRaid]

Just as people start asking questions some nobody "doctor" tells us they adjusted his bike for seated attacks. Pretty obvious damage control

a little like Chris Carmichael as a front as trainer for armstrong.

how many years was it that we heard that armstrong was only consulting Ferrari for an attempt at the hour record...that, of course, never happened and that was really never part of a real plan. they simply said that to try and innoculate the obvious.

 

[solo80k]

Majka retirement, first thing I thought of was that hilarious anecdote that he used to throw his old testosterone needles into his neighbours garden.

Majka denies links to Italian doping ring

Rafal Majka was named in a police report as taking testosterone and humane growth hormones, a claim he said is not true.

velo.outsideonline.com

“Del Nista continued saying that when Majka was training with Frediani he was using testosterone and would throw the needles in the neighbor’s garden,” read police records seen by La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“Del Nista said that Majka’s jaw line changed, becoming almost squared, because he was using testosterone and human growth hormones.”

He joined Tinkoff team and Alberto Clebuterol next... so what more can we expect. 😉

 

[Krzysztof_O]

How Tadej Pogačar Built His Outrageous Seated Attacks in the Weight Room

If you want to pedal like Pogačar, don't skip your sit-ups: Tour de France champion crushed his core to develop a new race-winning weapon.

velo.outsideonline.com

Swart claims that extra core training plays a big part in Pogacars ability to stay seated whenever he attacks.

Revolutionary stuff, although this mightn't be as much of an advantage when everyone else cops onto it!!

Pogi is such a good boy. He even shares his secret with rivals so that the sport could be more competitive. The true GOAT.

 

[Stablo]

The 'TikTok' generation is not buying it. They simply do not care or are numb to it. They only care about shouting GOAT. As I have said before, it's apparantly an amazing time since every sport currently seems to have a GOAT. We should all be amazed right? 🤣

Gimme MVDP any day over a Pogacar. I like to see great athletes doing great things but also enduring hardhips and overcoming them. And best would be if you throw some competition in the mix. Pogacar is just a one man domination show and I really do not care about that. Im so happy he is not participating in the Vuelta and was equally happy not seeing him in the Giro. Because that way we have a higher chance for some proper competition that entertains us.

This is also very true. Even though pog was juiced before the 23/24 winter, it was still bearable cause he had also the human moments. After that magic juice/more watts motor it has been annoying to say it kindly. For the sake of competition is really hope, that if they don't bust this biggest fraud of cyclings history, then others would also say f*** it we are going full mental also. Redbull should have the resources, but their image is more fragile than the one of a dictatorship like UAE. So we will see and in the meantime im thinking of cancelling my subscribtion to pro cycling, as a small but meaningfull protest 🤌😂

 

[Psycat]

The sad reality of doping is that it is nowhere near equitable. We will never know the most talented bike racer only the best responder with the greatest resources combined with their own natural talent.

It is anybodys guess as to a riders true level of natural ability but now that the war on doping appears to have been well and truly lost, very often the reaction to doped performances is based on a riders perceived level of natural ability.

For example I think Remco was a huge natural talent and although he will be getting some chemical assistance I find it easier to accept him as a credible champion. Other riders less so. The riders with the greatest level of natural talent are the biggest losers in all of this.

Lance might have been talented as a one day racer but he hadn't a hope in hell of winning the TDF as a clean rider. The results never lie. He simply had access to the best programme and was a very good responder.

Good post but I kinda disagree that the people with the "most natural talent" are somehow more admireable than others. I mean it's not like they earned their talent they simply got it from the create character screen?

I wish there was truly a way to measure effort as opposed to results, then again I suppose one could argue that the ability to put in effort is also a trait one is born with.

Might just be me being slightly bitter about being born as a total average dude for whom it doesn't really matter how much effort I put into something(since I can never eclipse good in any given field).

Don't get me wrong I get that one can marvel at people being born strong, tall, beautiful, with larger heart or whatever but to me it just seems no less random or "unfair" compared to who get's away with doing the most peds or not.

 

[Unchained]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1953238920738816109

View: https://x.com/ORION_coaching/status/1953238920738816109?s=19


This is the bs they are trying to sell us about the position. Like this is somehow a revolunationary driving position to create never seen before power while seated. Well when it clearly isn't the position or some core training(lol) producing the super power, then what could it be?

The goat conversation regarding pog's, gianetti"s and CO's achievements is more absurd, than saying Lance is the all time best stage racer. The tiktok-generation is somehow largely buying it and the journalists mostly stay silent, cause you can't bite the hand that feeds you.

This is always a puzzle.. Everything from crank length ,seat position, offset, tilt, stack, reach, bar width, it's all a scam!! A complete rip off.. Any coach, clown, or " professional bike fitter" that gives you data that is absolute run don't walk away from them and whatever witch doctor BS they are selling!!
2 people can have exactly the same everything.. But one rider will want a 140 stem slammed and another will want an 11 with as many spacers as fork can accommodate!! Same with seat width, length, tilt..doesn't matter what anyone says if you feel comfortable and you have a neutral flow on the bike that's all that counts, period, regardless of what some " expert " tells you is the optimal position for power.!!. Where Pogacar is positioned on the bike is completely personal and creates a dataset to poopoo expert analysis!! Pog weighs, what he weighs, his speeds are well documented, sure there is some wattage variations doing his calcs, but saying that he can't generate the power with his current position... It's.. Well it's insane.. You see his position, he is generating the watts, it's real not AI..
I will be the first to agree that there are some bike position basics, they are general starting measurements to get started. Nothing, absolutely nothing is absolute, written in stone in some mythical bike fit Bible!!
Showing a Tadej photo of leg position and angle of leg extension proves that there is a way to superimpose the graphic over his photo.. Not that there is a smoking gun sinister evidence that his abilities are suspect because of his bike position

 

[Stablo]

This is always a puzzle.. Everything from crank length ,seat position, offset, tilt, stack, reach, bar width, it's all a scam!! A complete rip off.. Any coach, clown, or " professional bike fitter" that gives you data that is absolute run don't walk away from them and whatever witch doctor BS they are selling!!
2 people can have exactly the same everything.. But one rider will want a 140 stem slammed and another will want an 11 with as many spacers as fork can accommodate!! Same with seat width, length, tilt..doesn't matter what anyone says if you feel comfortable and you have a neutral flow on the bike that's all that counts, period, regardless of what some " expert " tells you is the optimal position for power.!!. Where Pogacar is positioned on the bike is completely personal and creates a dataset to poopoo expert analysis!! Pog weighs, what he weighs, his speeds are well documented, sure there is some wattage variations doing his calcs, but saying that he can't generate the power with his current position... It's.. Well it's insane.. You see his position, he is generating the watts, it's real not AI..
I will be the first to agree that there are some bike position basics, they are general starting measurements to get started. Nothing, absolutely nothing is absolute, written in stone in some mythical bike fit Bible!!
Showing a Tadej photo of leg position and angle of leg extension proves that there is a way to superimpose the graphic over his photo.. Not that there is a smoking gun sinister evidence that his abilities are suspect because of his bike position

Well yeah it's not about the position on the bike really, but that's the marginal gains explanation with core!! training we are getting. The one that mostly explains the 10% rise in performance at the tender age of 25 years while being the number one in the world already. Well they just had to make something up to explain the bs after loosing two tours in a row.

Btw. Not sure if it's ok to say this(but moderators can decide), but with all respect your messages are really hard to read. You should take a moment to put the flow of your thoughts in a readable structure. I even think your a native english speaker, which makes it even worse.

 

[Unchained]

Well yeah it's not about the position on the bike really, but that's the marginal gains explanation with core!! training we are getting. The one that mostly explains the 10% rise in performance at the tender age of 25 years while being the number one in the world already. Well they just had to make something up to explain the bs after loosing two tours in a row.

Btw. Not sure if it's ok to say this(but moderators can decide), but with all respect your messages are really hard to read. You should take a moment to put the flow of your thoughts in a readable structure. I even think your a native english speaker, which makes it even worse.

No offense taken,
Pogacar is destroying people and everyone thinks they see something behind the curtain, Wizard of Oz style.
Now someone is posting that his position makes it impossible to generate power necessary to decimate his rivals. Utter BS..
I am sure with an internet mining session, I could unearth statements made about John Daly, Tiger Woods driving the ball in a non human fashion.
Or the ever unpopular Williams sisters, who's speed and power came on tennis community overnight ( it didn't!)
Neither did Tadej performance records ..I don't know where or why the @10-11% gain figure from year to year comes from.. Again additionally mysterious!!

Your observation about my use of language is appreciated and recognized, I will likely not improve in the future, as typing and head exploding simultaneously with some silly leg extension graphic posted as proof of some nefarious dealings at UAE.
And my English language spill over happens when people agree rather than state the obvious, no way to conclude anything from bike position.
Top @20-30 wattage generating riders on WT will likely not share any similar metrics , everything from frame, crank, torso tilt, seat in reference to bottom bracket spindle, crank offset, reach, stack, @ 20-50 other measurements.

Pogacar has had a somewhat unorthodox position for a number of years. And as if controversy was lurking around every corner, many more UAE riders are aboard what was thought to be an aero bike in Colnago catalog, making just another variable for the ...nothing makes sense.. conspiracy crowd!!
There will settle on all this a sadness when it ends, if Tadej Pogacar ends up being the best of all time, and many will have wasted the opportunity to witness it, instead steady whining about why what they are seeing can't be true.
And artificial intelligence in cycling is here and will only exacerbate everything to unimaginable levels!! It's coming.

 

[BubbaChuck]

who said,that core training explains 10% improvement in pogacar,lmao.and that arrow is hilarius.

 

[Stablo]

No offense taken,
Pogacar is destroying people and everyone thinks they see something behind the curtain, Wizard of Oz style.
Now someone is posting that his position makes it impossible to generate power necessary to decimate his rivals. Utter BS..
I am sure with an internet mining session, I could unearth statements made about John Daly, Tiger Woods driving the ball in a non human fashion.
Or the ever unpopular Williams sisters, who's speed and power came on tennis community overnight ( it didn't!)
Neither did Tadej performance records ..I don't know where or why the @10-11% gain figure from year to year comes from.. Again additionally mysterious!!

Your observation about my use of language is appreciated and recognized, I will likely not improve in the future, as typing and head exploding simultaneously with some silly leg extension graphic posted as proof of some nefarious dealings at UAE.
And my English language spill over happens when people agree rather than state the obvious, no way to conclude anything from bike position.
Top @20-30 wattage generating riders on WT will likely not share any similar metrics , everything from frame, crank, torso tilt, seat in reference to bottom bracket spindle, crank offset, reach, stack, @ 20-50 other measurements.

Pogacar has had a somewhat unorthodox position for a number of years. And as if controversy was lurking around every corner, many more UAE riders are aboard what was thought to be an aero bike in Colnago catalog, making just another variable for the ...nothing makes sense.. conspiracy crowd!!
There will settle on all this a sadness when it ends, if Tadej Pogacar ends up being the best of all time, and many will have wasted the opportunity to witness it, instead steady whining about why what they are seeing can't be true.
And artificial intelligence in cycling is here and will only exacerbate everything to unimaginable levels!! It's coming.

The 10% rise in performance comes from the simple fact of watts generated by a rider, that's the best we have. Besides it's not like only the watts got up, but apparently he doesn't get tired ever again either. "Have not witnessed it at all" translates to "oh yes sadly we saw it all and it never was true". Pog never was or were going to be the rider he now is before hooking up with Gianetti&UAE. Period. All the other "goats" the fans are always reffering here, really showed something before actually being a world dominator. The likes of Phelps, Woods, Jordan, Federer, Djokovic, Bolt, Messi, Ronaldo etc. etc.

Plausible doesn't seem to apply on pog the monsta. I in fact know his one the best riders of his generation, but this current bs is just an advantage in the program, what ever it might be. Pharmastrong was surely a great talent aswell, but the total domination came with better cheating. And he only dared to do it once a year. Well the world is a lot crazier these days, untivaxers etc. and a lot of other people simply ignoring facts, so I guess in away pog is a product of our time too. Propaganda is very strong across the socialmedia and internet.

 

[Stablo]

who said,that core training explains 10% improvement in pogacar,lmao.and that arrow is hilarius.

Well it is the explanation we are getting for the ridicilous seated attacks. Off course there is also the heat training and that Milan was a bad coach before. Reminds me of some other silly reasoning which happened before. Just a smoke screen to explain the impossible.

 

[BubbaChuck]

There was no 10% improvement,fiction and people dont know ball.He improved closer to 5% and even that not whole season.

 

[Stablo]

There was no 10% improvement,fiction and people dont know ball.He improved closer to 5% and even that not whole season.

What is the ball here you are talking about? Is it the same ball Milan didn't know about or just some figure of speech you don't know how to use maybe. Could you be so kind that you share us all something about the ball we don't know about. Was it the miracle ball that gave us the pog? A decent talent that became a world beater after joining forces with Gianetti and other biggest fraudsters in cyclings history.
Well to face the facts, he indeed did hugely improve and for the whole of the two! seasons while already being the number one in the world

 

[BubbaChuck]

Pog will get even better.Than what.

 

[peterfin]

Just as people start asking questions some nobody "doctor" tells us they adjusted his bike for seated attacks. Pretty obvious damage control

I think that was the purpose but it may backfire. There will be more people who start to have doubts now.

 

[dr.eve]

Just as people start asking questions some nobody "doctor" tells us they adjusted his bike for seated attacks. Pretty obvious damage control

Don't forget that Pogacar also has a perfect buttocks for this.