Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[dr.eve]

I think this requires its own thread. We do not know if its linked to pogi and Gianetti.

On another note, it suggests the blood passport is maybe not that conclusive and hey old fashioned blood doping with a twist is still a possibility.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I assume if this synthetic hemoglobin is 40 times more effective at transporting oxygen then VO2 max and FTP would be hugely boosted depending how much the rider used. But I am not sure the biological passport actually tracks oxygen carrying capacity, just the blood component which carries the oxygen? Not sure the bio-passport can distinguish between natural and synthetic hemoglobin?

And on the 'very well known rider' I'd be surprised if it wasn't his manager, doctor or team rather than the rider himself who approached these guys?

If the bio passport can't detect such a strong boost then it's pretty much useless nowadays (it definitely wasn't the case in 2010s during the great "slowdown").

 

[Low is rhe new high]

If the bio passport can't detect such a strong boost then it's pretty much useless nowadays (it definitely wasn't the case in 2010s during the great "slowdown").

The biological passport is hopefully updated and adopted to current situation? It should be possible to test for new artificial hemoglobin variants.

 

[BubbaChuck]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003076176836010085

View: https://x.com/i/status/2003076176836010085

 

[BubbaChuck]

there is no twist needed,you can just look at watts they are pushing,lmaoo.if thye can explain increase in numbers in last 3 years,thye can explain everything.and this true for whole peleton.we are not talking msll bumps here,thye went from 6 to 7 watts basically.

 

[dr.eve]

The biological passport is hopefully updated and adopted to current situation? It should be possible to test for new artificial hemoglobin variants.

I would hope so too, though I would not be surprised if it isn't. New tests are not always easy to develop, and if they are, sometimes they are costly and this can be a factor in what do you take a long in your testpanel and what not.

On top of that, the article linked previously also says it has a very narrow detection period due to its short halflife. That could make it rather useless to put in the bloodpassport. You may test for it but if in practice you can not actually detect it in most cases than it just gives an inaccurate image of fairness.

 

[Lorzenz08]

A lot of people are discounting the fact that Pogi won Tour de l'Avenir with 0 team support at 19.. he literally had 0 teammates.

This simple fact shows that his margin of progression from that point was off the charts

 

[Bronstein]

He had five teammates - https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-l-avenir/2018/startlist

 

[AlpRaid]

He had five teammates - https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-l-avenir/2018/startlist

And he chose to sign with the dirtiest manager in cycling.

Why would you do that?

 

[Rob5091]

And he chose to sign with the dirtiest manager in cycling.

Why would you do that?

Bahrain and UAE had connections to Slovenian cycling clubs back then, so it's not surprising that Pogi ened up with one of the two.

 

[BubbaChuck]

how much has to pog improve to realize,what you are dealing with.

 

[KoopaCycling]

I saw a post of someone about this thread on the remco thread is the next merckx thread.
Not sure if i posted this there and it was removed or i forgot to press the post button.
But perhaps it's better I post this here to begin with.

Your post in the remco thread is bit weird.

You mention his clinic thread, not his main thread. It's only natural for people to be talking about Pogacar in his clinic thread. It's a thread were people discuss possible doping use.
It ain't a good sign that all riders seem to be able to surpass the records of known doped riders with seeming ease. But Pogacar more than anyone looks like a red flag.

From his entourage (Gianetti), from some of his comments denying involvement with carbon monoxide when his team acknowledged it's use a day later, from his riding style, ... .
It would be strange indeed if people don't have questions.

I'm not sure if remco rides clean but if i was betting man, i definitely would not place my bets on Pogacar riding clean.
Now maybe he never gets caught, or it's covered with the mantle of love like they did for Anquetil, Merxkx, Indurain, ... .
But him riding clean seems near impossible to me.