Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[topcat]

In my opinion, there have been a few attempts to re-write Lance's history and paint him in a brighter light, but unfortunately the facts keep getting in the way.
What's the motive here? Lance wasn't so bad, so Pog is an angel?

 

[Divergence]

In my opinion, there have been a few attempts to re-write Lance's history and paint him in a brighter light, but unfortunately the facts keep getting in the way.
What's the motive here? Lance wasn't so bad, so Pog is an angel?

IMO Lance was as bad as it gets as a dope but in the same league as the others and an extremely "bad" person compared to other top cyclists. Pog is just ruthless, but what I dislike in him is when he tries to play nice. Just be the ruthless self and write some history.

 

[Ripper]

In my opinion, there have been a few attempts to re-write Lance's history and paint him in a brighter light, but unfortunately the facts keep getting in the way.
What's the motive here? Lance wasn't so bad, so Pog is an angel?

Indeed.

Also worth noting - lancey-poo was not on the exact same program as his teammates, nor was he simply more talented as a responder to doping. His response to doping was, if anything, and indication on how doping is not equal across dopers and that you can buy expertise and means that allow you to deploy a strategy that puts you ahead (by cheating)

Edit - in my opinion

 

[peterfin]

In my opinion the main difference between Pog an Lance is that Lance was the defacto boss and architect of his doping program while Pog is (most likely) the subject of Gianetti's experience-crafted doping program. I think it is very plausible that prior to 2024 this was still relatively contained and consisted of smaller boosts (e.g. CO) but they found the magic combo prior to the 2024 season and scaled it with the right people of low integrity. The UAE management team has this history and with some people such as Allan Peiper out (which I hold to a higher level of integrity), all the ingredients are available to brew the right cocktail. In short, Pog may not be that bad ass initially but he transformed in Darth Vader with Gianetti Palpatine on his side. He is now complicit in the act of cheating, not just "on the edge" but well above it. I actually wonder if this feeling starts to bite him when he understands that he cannot compare his program to others anymore and there is no voice in his head that says: "Everyone does it in a similar way. It's on the edge but it is ok." ? It would explain his downbeat reactions lately. This again shows that he has a better internal compass than Lance but it doesn't make him less of a cheater. Again: this all just my opinion.