Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

I'm satisfied that Mauro and friends upgraded the Pog performances to the entire team.
This was better than Gewiss in FW 1994.

 

[Stablo]

What a sh*tshow! Would laugh unless I was crying, procycling for me is mostly dead, when they allow this Gianetti led clownshow on the races. What an absolute disgrace. 🤮

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This thread shouldn't be too busy today as Pogi couldn't even beat his teammate. Guys, this is how paniagua looks.

 

[thetdog666]

Definitely got motors in the back wheel hub

 

[AlpRaid]

What a sh*tshow! Would laugh unless I was crying, procycling for me is mostly dead, when they allow this Gianetti led clownshow on the races. What an absolute disgrace. 🤮

completely agree.

we had about a decade where I kind of felt the natural hierarchy was largely respected.

last two years uae has made it completely ridiculous however. a team, run by one of the worst dopers when a cyclist, who previously managed infamous dopers who got busted after extraordinary performances where team-mates dropped everyone else, and uae just gave this guy millions upon millions to run their team.

this feels like a similar watershed as the arrival of EPO in the peloton. riders not on the program simply can't come close to competing.

 

[Berniece]

Going a bit in tinfoil hat territory, but it's weird he is carrying his bike himself. Probably to hide a motor!!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Going a bit in tinfoil hat territory, but it's weird he is carrying his bike himself. Probably to hide a motor!!

Pogi is a good and caring guy. This is because he doesn't want Remco to accidently ride this bike and hurt himself after reaching warp speed.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Going a bit in tinfoil hat territory, but it's weird he is carrying his bike himself. Probably to hide a motor!!

Looks like arm day for Pogacar.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Hi everybody, could you take the time to have good look at this 2020 paper and tell us what you think about it ?

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The artificial hemoglobins described in the article would be easily detected in a test. I don’t think that is a feasible strategy.

 

[TrekCyclist]

artificial hemoglobins

Isn't that what the Festina team was allegedly using in 1997 at the Courchevel stage?

 

[Le breton]

The artificial hemoglobins described in the article would be easily detected in a test. I don’t think that is a feasible strategy.

Although that would be the case for PFC, I don't know if other products could escape detection.

 

[Unchained]

Isn't that what the Festina team was allegedly using in 1997 at the Courchevel stage?

No

 

[Cookster15]

Isn't that what the Festina team was allegedly using in 1997 at the Courchevel stage?

Pretty sure that was EPO. 1997 was before the EPO test became available.

The below linked info should be compulsory reading for everyone here. There is a link to ABP Operating Guidelines. There it lists the blood markers tracked.

As stated above (by @Low is rhe new high), artificial hemoglobins described in the article would be easily detected in a test. Anything which influences those markers can potentially trigger an adverse finding. That includes artificial hemoglobin.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/athlete-biological-passport

 

[Netserk]

Pretty sure that was EPO. 1997 was before the EPO test became available.

The below linked info should be compulsory reading for everyone here. There is a link to ABP Operating Guidelines. There it lists the blood markers tracked.

As stated above (by @Low is rhe new high), artificial hemoglobins described in the article would be easily detected in a test. Anything which influences those markers can potentially trigger an adverse finding. That includes artificial hemoglobin.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/athlete-biological-passport

Afaik, HBOCs don't raise your hematocrit, so they'd be superior to epo after the 50 % limit.

 

[Abedfo]

Can't wait for pogacar to take both sets of rainbow bands 🙄

 

[Rou]

Forgot to charge the battery for today...

 

[Tim Cahill]

Went into my local Halford's this morning and gave the store clerk a knowing look, nudged him and quietly whispered 'I'll have the one with the hidden motor in it please sir'. He beat the hell out of me and told me to never come back to his shop.

Posted from my hospital bed.

 

[Stablo]

Forgot to charge the battery for today...

He doesn't have it in the TT-bike 😉today was his real level and watts. Even his monster TT:s in Grand Tours have come with normal roadbike.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Most paniagua-ish performance for a while. He should enhance his engine for the next Sunday. Maybe more porridge?

 

[SorelyBoy]

That’s what happens when Pogacar’s bike is a normal one without enhancements. Good performances but not great ones. It’s pretty obvious.

 

[Stablo]

That’s what happens when Pogacar’s bike is a normal one without enhancements. Good performances but not great ones. It’s pretty obvious.

The examples are many, most recent being in Dauphine this year an average TT, but after total mutant level watts in the mountains. That extra 50-100 watts surely helps.

 

[SorelyBoy]

The examples are many, most recent being in Dauphine this year an average TT, but after total mutant level watts in the mountains. That extra 50-100 watts surely helps.

Yeah I remember that. I was pretty sure something went wrong with the bike during that ride because he looked absolutely cooked during the climb. There was also a little weird kick out moment from the back wheel although others assured me it was just a pebble or something. I don’t know, looked weird. But then he just miraculously goes up like five levels the next few days and crushes the field. Not the first time he’s done that either. The kid either has a superhuman ability to improve his ability during a race and defy human physiology, or sometimes his bike is normal or not functioning properly. I am pretty sure the answer is the most obvious one. It’s the bike.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Is it some kind of burnout going on, too longtime on various chemicals must have a price. Armstrong and the gang back in the days had long recovery times in between cures Pantini being an exception and that did not end well. Gianetti has always been ruthless when it comes to using up riders. All this talk of retiring the lackluster performances in Canada and today’s fiasco. Maybe the era of the Pog is over now the era of del Toro has begun.

 

[SHAD0W93]

That’s what happens when Pogacar’s bike is a normal one without enhancements. Good performances but not great ones. It’s pretty obvious.

They must have put the motor in Evenepoel’s bike.

 

[SorelyBoy]

They must have put the motor in Evenepoel’s bike.

Nah, Remco is just pure class. Always was.