Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Johan Bruyneel has 9 years as a professional racer, he speaks French, Spanish, English and different dialects of Dutch,routinely doing interviews in Flemish, he lives in Spain and is extremely knowledgeable about all things bike racing. He has contact with bike racing people worldwide.
He had 13 years as a director sportif with some of the most winning teams in cycling history. He co-founded a popular cycling podcast that often features pro racers..you might be confusing him with someone else with the same or similar name.
In the context of doping, doper discussions ( arguments) people lean into Strava data almost exclusively, Strava is sighted for power estimates for riders every minute.. You can just do your own calculations by taking the start-up stop time for a race and using another guess on rider's weight people do wattage calcs.
I respect your opinion to say Bruyneel and the hundreds of people inside cycling don't know what they are talking about, are unreliable, uneducated, I strongly disagree,
Johan has forgotten more about bike racing than I could ever know.

And your opinion that Strava should not be used because of it's lack of specific data, I agree but still refer to Strava because of a lack of other widely used data.
Also challenge still standing, even if calorie calculations on Strava are inaccurate, the inaccuracies don't apply to only 1 or 2 riders so given a margin of error, Pogacar's historically low calorie consumption is still strange. Needs explanation

Strava calories estimations are unreliable for what Bruyneel is trying to do because you are basically comparing apple to... i don't know not even oranges.
Why is that? For starter we don't even know the source of the data from the individuals riders. The calorie count could originate from MET tables (completely worthless), HR data (maybe a bit more reliable but still garbage when talking about pro riders, and what algorithm is used then? The bike computer or the strava one? Their are at least four different formulas that i know of) or the powermeter, the only source that is somewhat reliable, with the three caveats that the accuracy and precision varies quite a a bit between the different suppliers, (the dual sided shimano powermeter used by pogacar is not called a "random number generator" for nothing).
The second caveat is that efficiency is subject to wide inter- and intraindividual variations, which we don't know if they've been taken into account for the different riders.
The third one being that we don't know what actually happened during the stage; maybe pogacar raced smarter and conserved energy better, the only way to know that would be to get the raw power data which we wont. Basically we don't know if the individual calculations are originating from the same data set, and even if they are there is so much noise that they're not fit for purpose.

BTW i know very well who Bruyneel is and he's first and foremost a liar and a cheater desperate to stay relevant despite a lifetime ban, you could not choose a worse individual to make a point...

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Bruyneel is neither comparing apples to apples, oranges to apples, ect, instead he is comparing riders on exact races, training routes, etc. We need to agree on common facts..Strava is what we have like it or not, it's the most commonly referenced cycling data base. Rider weights are never known, never accurate.. Full stop..in boxing you weigh in, but bike racing most of the body analysis comes from outside, just zealous fans doing a meat market type thing.
As was clearly displayed, while Bruyneel did lie, cheat, make mistakes, was punished for them, took responsibility for his actions, and asked for forgiveness and be allowed to live, because nothing good or bad in bike racing is life or death. What was made clear from all things involving Armstrong, Bruyneel and dozens, hundreds of others that justice was not served, guilty were not punished and the law, the rules in cycling were not fairly or evenly applied. The bizarre disproportionate punishment for Armstrong and Bruyneel is childish.

Numerous posts above make excellent documented examples of people who went through the system with no punishment, some started and finished careers using drugs and other forms of cheating without detection of any kind.
Much of what you are saying is important, if not critical. The UCI didn't catch Armstrong or Bruyneel, @15-20 years later, records being shattered and nobody under scrutiny, no nothing. So now the system that was clearly broken under Armstrong era has been basically unchanged, untouched, same silly system that didn't work in the 80s,90s, 2000s and beyond has fans, governments, sponsors, riders, alumni furious, frustrated and often in opposition to accepting or endorsement of athletes and the sport. It's simply not the responsibility of Pogacar or Seixas to pay for the sins of Armstrong.. It's not their job to clean up the sport and it's management and reputation.. They are young athletes in their prime.. The system is supposed to be there to support them, not suffocate and submerge them in bull@@@@ ..they are being betrayed by corruption and pocket lining criminals..
Travel a little and you see almost immediately places where corruption and no respect for the law, law enforcement.. The UCI stands alone in professional sports as an absolute international joke.. If the UCI says Johan Bruyneel did something wrong, it's a badge of honor..Guys like Hein Verbruggen, Pat McQuiad, Brian Cookson are filthy, filthy dirty in my opinion after available Armstrong evidence was revealed.. Very few people were punished..
You are making a binary argument, either good or bad, black or white, Johan Brunyneel made some real scumbag moves but the evidence showed he was average.. Scary true..

You made a wall of text and yet did not address any of the point i've made, instead going into a tangent about JB...

I'm surprised to see that clip show up, the calorie expenditure data was on the stage 6 episode of JB2 in 2024 (the data was from stage 5), he apologised and said the information was wrong the episode after it was called out on here as being nonsense so I'm surprised WEDU clipped that up for their Youtube shorts.

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Quod erat demonstrandum, even JB acknowledged that he missed the mark here...

 

[Glorious]

Team UAE does everything illegally, they are extreme criminals and even on social media...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2046694604913680691

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[Berniece]

Team UAE does everything illegally, they are extreme criminals and even on social media...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2046694604913680691

View: https://x.com/lucasaganronald/status/2046694604913680691?s=46

Lol, such a sad bunch

 

[Rob5091]

Time to lose the fat!
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-altitude-training-camp-in-tailored-programme

 

[QueenStagiaire]

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In race mode it adds 300 watts??? Hilarious

 

[SorelyBoy]

In race mode it adds 300 watts??? Hilarious

Even the fact this stuff is being talked about says everything about where a growing number of people are on the subject of Mr Pogacar. His performances are hilarious.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

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Yes, dude. I read your entire comment, and despite the fact that you wrote almost half a page, your post makes no sense. Firstly, you’re arguing about the accuracy of Strava data, even though the data has nothing to do with Strava since it’s pulled from the bike computer. 2) The bike computer gets the kilojoule data from the powermeter. That's how it calculates how many calories you've burned. 1kj=1active calorie

Like on my morning ride today:
Strava -

Garmin connect -

 

[SorelyBoy]

His performance jump from an already ludicrous level in 2023 is at least ten percent. But it’s not just that. It’s the complete absence of fatigue, not to mention the somewhat creepy inability to feel pain or physical discomfort. This year’s MSR exposed this in the most stark way possible. He hit that ground hard and didn’t seem to feel a thing. Pidcock recently said that Pogacar was like ‘a zombie.’ That, along with comments from other riders, is very revealing of how the peloton see him. He crosses the finish line and there’s just this blankness from him, total absence of any sign of exertion.

 

[Rackham]

535 pages for Riccardo Ricco's radioactive brother from another mother.

It's mostly masochism at this point and in my case ghoulish curiosity to see just how on the nose UAE/Gianetti and Pog can get this summer. Let's see if the (obviously totally organic and not at all unnatural itself eh) emergence of Seixas will push Pog to go even glowier - like L.A. back in the 2004 TdF who came back with a vengeance after things got close in 2003.

 

[Rob5091]

So what do folk think UAE are thinking? Vingegaard is back and Seixas has hung briefly onto Pogi's coattails. Team UAE at the Duphiné (or whatever it's called now) don't seem like world beaters, so is it time to dig down to the bottom of the sportsbag for the real rocket fuel?
Could be blast off on the first GC day and then see how things go to the first rest day.

 

[SorelyBoy]

So what do folk think UAE are thinking? Vingegaard is back and Seixas has hung briefly onto Pogi's coattails. Team UAE at the Duphiné (or whatever it's called now) don't seem like world beaters, so is it time to dig down to the bottom of the sportsbag for the real rocket fuel?
Could be blast off on the first GC day and then see how things go to the first rest day.

‘Don’t worry Tadej, these new sodium ion batteries are amazing.’

 

[MountainGoatW]

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But hey at least we can be sure motors/e-assistance is not used and the bikes are checked very well. The pad is supposed to detect electrical emissions and yet it fails even to detect the only legal electric device in Di2 shifter, lol.

And for me there is no doubt who is the biggest suspect regarding e-assistance, the most unnatural rider of them all, with the state owned bike and the goodfellas of cycling.

 

[Cookster15]

and yet it fails even to detect the only legal electric device in Di2 shifter, lol

Checked this with a quick Google search. Almost all* electric motors have magnetic fields. The magnetic field is what is being checked for by the tablet computers in your video. A Di2 shifter does not contain magnets so I don't find that remarkable.

*The Rare Exception (Electrostatic Motors): There is a niche exception to the rule. Electrostatic motors generate force using high-voltage electric fields rather than magnetic fields. They are rarely used in everyday appliances but are utilized in specialized technology like micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS) or space thrusters.

 

[MountainGoatW]

Yes like I said it is really convincing what they are doing, we can now all feel at rest, cause there has never been the use of motors at pro cycling. UCI is making it too hard to not get caught. Surely a device that everyone of us can get with a few hundred euros is unbeatable and the teams that operate at the elite level with tens of millions can't defeat a normal household machine. For me that IPad scan is a total joke and just to show of like hey we are doing serious checks here, but it apparently works cause most of the fans buy it. I have close to zero trust in that, but that is just my take.

Btw. the AI is always not very trustworthy either, not to say it's not right on the answer you got.
An example from this spring, my team had just won the championship a few hours earlier and I asked Google AI where the victory celebrations are going to be held. Well AI answered that you're team played badly this year and didn't make it to the top, so no celebrations are going to be held.
Then I asked what the hell are you talking about? They just didn't play well, but actually won the whole thing.
AI was quick to apologize and tell where the party was going to be, but that original answer really made me laugh, was a clear sign that AI still has significant flaws and in my example it clearly made up the whole answer.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Checked this with a quick Google search. Almost all* electric motors have magnetic fields. The magnetic field is what is being checked for by the tablet computers in your video. A Di2 shifter does not contain magnets so I don't find that remarkable.

*The Rare Exception (Electrostatic Motors): There is a niche exception to the rule. Electrostatic motors generate force using high-voltage electric fields rather than magnetic fields. They are rarely used in everyday appliances but are utilized in specialized technology like micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS) or space thrusters.

The magnetic field is there as long as the motor has power or if it is engaged when you are turning the cranks, when you shut it down, it does not generate a magnetic field (there is some residual field for som seconds-minute or unless its a permanent magnetic motor which they don't use) .

 

[Cookster15]

The magnetic field is there as long as the motor has power or if it is engaged when you are turning the cranks, when you shut it down, it does not generate a magnetic field (there is some residual field for som seconds-minute or unless its a permanent magnetic motor which they don't use) .

Yes. I think we are talking about a solenoid. So a Di2 shifter would only generate a detectable magnetic field momentarily as the shifter is operated. That was MountainGoatW’s assertion that I responded to:-

and yet it fails even to detect the only legal electric device in Di2 shifter, lol

So not really anything sinister and easily explained.

 

[Red Rick]

It's hilariuos to me in that no rider thread talks so much about a specific bike being better for their guy than other threads.

 

[MountainGoatW]

Yes. I think we are talking about a solenoid. So a Di2 shifter would only generate a detectable magnetic field momentarily as the shifter is operated. That was MountainGoatW’s assertion that I responded to:-


So not really anything sinister and easily explained.

Well the main point was in the IPads they still use. It is just to show the audiences, that we are doing something and taking the issue seriously, when in fact they are not if they still keep on using tablets.

 

[MountainGoatW]

It's hilariuos to me in that no rider thread talks so much about a specific bike being better for their guy than other threads.

That special Colnago Y1Rs? gives you wings and watts.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's hilariuos to me in that no rider thread talks so much about a specific bike being better for their guy than other threads.

Because Pogi is very sensitive to bike changes and even calls quality bikes "wheelbarrow". Hopefully it's not because he's used to e-bikes.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Because Pogi is very sensitive to bike changes and even calls quality bikes "wheelbarrow". Hopefully it's not because he's used to e-bikes.

To be fair, he did look like he was a mere mortal on that backup bike, even though it was relatively modern and configured precisely for him. Later on, after he was back on the Colnago, he threatened to glide away from the riding like a demon Van Aert across a cobbled section, looking for all the world like he was out for a nice ride in the country. Chest up high, legs and core under no stress at all, 🎼La,da, La La La La La, La La La La La La La La . Etc. Afterwards, poor Pogi was going on like they’d given him a penny farthing to ride, the poor dear. Don’t they know who he is? He had a mind to talk to David, who’s a personal friend of his he’ll have you know. Utter nonsense of course, all to cover up his blushes for the real reason.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Hello

 

[canina82]

Hello

Ridiculous performance. This is clearly a natural talent with a great ability to respond to drugs.

 

[Biketowork]

It's past the ridiculous stage and is now funny.
He should just attack at the start and go solo.